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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ashockney" data-source="post: 449247" data-attributes="member: 1363">Closer my precious...Now the ideas are flowing... Very true.  Ouch indeed.  I think the Epic designers had other things in mind for hitting this creature, however.  Not a bad move against any dragon.  I like it!Weapon Focus gets counted for an extra point here, it's +2 total, not +1 and then +2 more.Not sure where you found a +10 luck, +10 competence, +10 insight, or +10 morale bonus.  But I would REALLY like to know!  That's actually the point of my post!  Where would you get the bonuses to hit?The +10 Divine Bonus I get...just make him a lesser god.  No problemo... Ok, that's a possibility, but not the point of my post.  That's a whole separate topic...Let's pretend they did some playtesting with the Force Dragon, and hitting an 88 AC is no biggie for 40th level folks.  How's that again?  Remind me... Smite...I'll give you that, but how often can you do it?  Really?  Can you smite more than once a round?  I think it'd be hard to smite more than 4 or 5 times a day.  That ain't gonna kill this thing.+10 arrows and +10 bow...that's good, that's a higher attack bonus than what I was suggesting before by 7 (+10 - 3 from rage), which puts us at +76 vs. an 88 AC.  You're at least in the ballpark on your first shot with this, but I think you just took a nosedive on your damage per hit, unless there's some new "epic" guidelines on "mighty" bows (anyone?) See smite above.  Not more than 4 or 5 times a day.  Now if you can smite AND use Unstoppable.  Now, it's getting interesting.  Between Smite, True Strike, and Unstoppable, I could see a big beefy 26 Paladin/14 Legendary Dreadnaught rolling up on the punk Force Dragon.  Now that is an EPIC combo! Hold on!  I'm not even going here yet, Spier.  Just show me how you can HIT the force dragon, THEN we can deal with doing enough to kill it.  Players seem to find infinite new and creative ways to kill the BBEG's (big bad evil guys), no matter what the defenses, but they've ALWAYS got to be able to hit them first! That's a classic!What else are we missing?</blockquote>

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