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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7559232" data-attributes="member: 16814">It's telling that you continued with your strawman while snipping out the rest of my post where I address many of the points you continue to raise.&nbsp; Including that the quoted statement above is just fine.Sigh, already said, man.&nbsp; Maybe if you read my posts, you could save time arguing against points I haven't made.It is RAW that you can only use brief utterences in combat.&nbsp; Nothing in conjure spells changes this.&nbsp; You can't say that an exception might exist because the rules don't explicitly say an exception doesn't exist.Message says brief message, so....&nbsp; I've never had animal messenger cast in combat.&nbsp; It also has a long duration, so you can cast the spell on 6 seconds (some fraction thereof, really), sure, but the effect is you choose a messenger, specify a recipient/location, speak your message up to 25 words, have it delivered (or not, deoending). All of those are the effect of casting, so praytell which occurs on 6 seconds?&nbsp; Regardless, if you do assume this is a specific exception, then it's entirely missing from conjure spells, meaning that you've misplaced your petard and have been hoisted.Limiting verbal commands does sound like a rat bastard DM move.</blockquote>And, bring up more strawmen, like animal messenger.&nbsp; You can read that as a specific exception, but it then wouldn't translate at all to conjures.&nbsp; Watch how you place your petards.Personally, I've never had animal messenger used in combat , so this isn't something I care about.&nbsp; If it ever is, I'll adjudicate it then based on the situation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7559232, member: 16814"] It's telling that you continued with your strawman while snipping out the rest of my post where I address many of the points you continue to raise. Including that the quoted statement above is just fine. Sigh, already said, man. Maybe if you read my posts, you could save time arguing against points I haven't made. It is RAW that you can only use brief utterences in combat. Nothing in conjure spells changes this. You can't say that an exception might exist because the rules don't explicitly say an exception doesn't exist. Message says brief message, so.... I've never had animal messenger cast in combat. It also has a long duration, so you can cast the spell on 6 seconds (some fraction thereof, really), sure, but the effect is you choose a messenger, specify a recipient/location, speak your message up to 25 words, have it delivered (or not, deoending). All of those are the effect of casting, so praytell which occurs on 6 seconds? Regardless, if you do assume this is a specific exception, then it's entirely missing from conjure spells, meaning that you've misplaced your petard and have been hoisted. Limiting verbal commands does sound like a rat bastard DM move.[/QUOTE] And, bring up more strawmen, like animal messenger. You can read that as a specific exception, but it then wouldn't translate at all to conjures. Watch how you place your petards. Personally, I've never had animal messenger used in combat , so this isn't something I care about. If it ever is, I'll adjudicate it then based on the situation. [/QUOTE]

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