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<blockquote data-quote="Art Waring" data-source="post: 8761649" data-attributes="member: 7037141">I weighed in on this before, but I think it's a bit of both. The wizard has certain traditions, if you will, carried from previous editions, which I think reinforce the need to keep the wizard a top tier class.In the 3.X days, before dnd applied tiers to levels of play, the 3.X community had a very useful tier rating system for classes, with tier 1 being the highest, and tier 5 being the lowest.Tier 1 classes can contribute effectively across every one of the three pillars of play, and have incredible utility. They also have the ability to directly affect narrative outcomes, which vanilla fighters simply cannot do.Wizards have always been tier 1 classes, and knowing that you can look at how they design other classes in respect to the wizard. Some classes are surely designed to be in lower tiers.I think the solution is to give the fighters and martials a little bit more utility in the other two pillars, social and exploration, and maybe giving them a little bit of narrative control in some form, not the same as spellcasters, but enough to let martial players feel like they are contributing to every aspect of play.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Art Waring, post: 8761649, member: 7037141"] I weighed in on this before, but I think it's a bit of both. The wizard has certain traditions, if you will, carried from previous editions, which I think reinforce the need to keep the wizard a top tier class. In the 3.X days, before dnd applied tiers to levels of play, the 3.X community had a very useful tier rating system for classes, with tier 1 being the highest, and tier 5 being the lowest. Tier 1 classes can contribute effectively across every one of the three pillars of play, and have incredible utility. They also have the ability to directly affect narrative outcomes, which vanilla fighters simply cannot do. Wizards have always been tier 1 classes, and knowing that you can look at how they design other classes in respect to the wizard. Some classes are surely designed to be in lower tiers. I think the solution is to give the fighters and martials a little bit more utility in the other two pillars, social and exploration, and maybe giving them a little bit of narrative control in some form, not the same as spellcasters, but enough to let martial players feel like they are contributing to every aspect of play. [/QUOTE]

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