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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 4997484" data-attributes="member: 7006">1) A few points during each tier2) More or less steady3) Always been there4) A few feats called Expertise that gives characters +1/+2/+3 to hit at each tier.5) No more improvements are necessary, although the fact that players have to spend a single feat to take Expertise drives some players in a tizzy.6) The discussion would be different only as much as we wouldn't hear the complaints from certain people that WotC tried to &quot;fix the math&quot;.&nbsp; They are all offended by that.&nbsp; They would have prefered WotC ignored the problem by not creating the Expertise feats, than what they did do by creating them.&nbsp; Since they are min-maxers (or &quot;optimizers&quot; if you'd prefer to more PC-term), they feel like they have to take Expertise since it's available to them, but don't like the fact that they lose a feat slot to do it.The irony of course being that they complain about losing a feat slot to a so-called &quot;required&quot; feat which prohibits them from taking a more &quot;interesting&quot; one... and yet when they go over all their builds they are always taking feats for optimization anyway.&nbsp; So they are really losing nothing when you get right down to it.&nbsp; It's not as though they would have taken Linguist had WotC not been so evil enough to put Expertise in front of them.Long story short... people like to complain.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 4997484, member: 7006"] 1) A few points during each tier 2) More or less steady 3) Always been there 4) A few feats called Expertise that gives characters +1/+2/+3 to hit at each tier. 5) No more improvements are necessary, although the fact that players have to spend a single feat to take Expertise drives some players in a tizzy. 6) The discussion would be different only as much as we wouldn't hear the complaints from certain people that WotC [I]tried[/I] to "fix the math". They are all offended by that. They would have prefered WotC ignored the problem by not creating the Expertise feats, than what they did do by creating them. Since they are min-maxers (or "optimizers" if you'd prefer to more PC-term), they feel like they have to take Expertise since it's available to them, but don't like the fact that they lose a feat slot to do it. The irony of course being that they complain about losing a feat slot to a so-called "required" feat which prohibits them from taking a more "interesting" one... and yet when they go over all their builds they are always taking feats for optimization anyway. So they are really losing nothing when you get right down to it. It's not as though they would have taken Linguist had WotC not been so evil enough to put Expertise in front of them. Long story short... people like to complain. [/QUOTE]

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