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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dire Bare" data-source="post: 4997678" data-attributes="member: 18182">All of them!  Although, not all at once.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I've actually NEVER had an issue with the math, even back during 1st, 2nd, and BECMI editions.  With hindsight, I can see how editions prior to 3e were a bit wonky, but it never bothered me at the time.  The most DMing I ever did was during the 3e era, and I did become annoyed at some of my players who cherry picked amongst the many sourcebooks for characters who kicked major ass but didn't make much sense thematically, but it was more the player attitude than the math that bothered me at the time . . . but we still all managed to enjoy ourselves quite a bit!With both playing and DMing 4e, it was the first time I really paid much attention to the balance and math and that's because it all felt so smooth, easy, and balanced!!!  I fell in love!  Of course, on some level, I understand that the game isn't perfect, nothing can be, but so far the balance issues that started to annoy me in 3e have not reappeared.  Perhaps with time!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I am truly kinda amazed at the discussion in this thread, that there is good sized minority of players (despite the poll, I highly doubt the "math broken" folks are any sort of majority of players) who are convinced the system is just broken and are upset by it.I just play, and have a good time.</blockquote>

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