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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 4999277" data-attributes="member: 58197">No idea what power you're talking about here. The Astral Sea is a plane, not a power. There are some powers with "Astral" or "Astral Sea" in the name, but none of them grant attack bonuses that I can see. Edit: Ah, Astral Seal, right. Defense penalty comes to the same thing. But that a) means the cleric isn't doing any damage that round, b) can still miss on a low roll, and c) only grants... wait for it... +2 to hit! Which is, coincidentally, exactly the value I picked for the leader's across-the-board bonus.Undoubtedly, but +stat to attacks for the whole party for the whole fight? The only power I can think of that does that is the warlord daily power Lead the Attack, which a) is a daily power and hence not available every combat, and b) requires a hit to work, and c) uses a secondary stat rather than the primary, albeit a secondary stat that's likely to be as high as the primary.I'm not denying that a leader can be expected to generate a bonus to hit for the party as a whole. I just don't buy your claim that that bonus, averaged across each round against each monster for each player in all combats, is substantially better than +2. Obviously, any value we plug in for that number is going to be an educated estimate. But your estimate looks insanely high to me, so I want to see what it's based on, if anything.The point of monster level is to provide a measure of its threat to the PCs. If a 30th-level monster does not pose the same threat to a 30th-level party that a 1st-level monster does to a 1st-level party, then the measure is miscalibrated. You want epic-level fights to be more difficult? No problem, just use monsters at party level + 1 instead of party level (or party level + 5 instead of party level + 4, wherever your group operates).And if you want monsters that can pose a major threat to even the highest-level party... that's why Orcus is 33rd level. Even at the level cap, he remains a tough customer.</blockquote>

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