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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 4999710" data-attributes="member: 67338">yea, me too, infact most people;s opionions are...funny how we ave to argue about them though...OK, BUT if you sat down to a game and the DM wasn't house ruleing the BW would you tell other PCs not to play there Dragon born character???Or to spin this back around...if you want to take expertise with every character by level 12 cool, more power to you have fun...but when you say others should (even when they choose not to), or that DMs should give them out free (if the DM didn't want to) or even try to push WotC to change it when you KNOW there are people happy with out it...then there are problems...I have a fellow player who thinks like an optimizer...he always has a min 18 starting stat to attack, he never take multi attack stat powers, and he always has +3 prof weapons...he also always has the NAD uppers, and expertise.  How ever we have never seen him pull away from the pact in usefulness....[sblock=going back an edtion or two] We in my group have had alot of problems over the years of one character domanating becuse he was built 'better' from my characters of grant and antra in 2e, to my firend paul makeing an abjurer in 3e...we call them 1 man parties...becuse alone they could bring 70+% of the power of the rest of the group...in 4e even the most optimized character is still 'just part of the team'[/sblock]</blockquote>