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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 5000040" data-attributes="member: 67338">it was funny that we all group with people who are atleast somewhat like minded (like I said most of us don't belive in ALWAYS taking the feat, one player does, and me and one or two others normaly take it as soon as we run ut of 'cool' feats to take)   I don't belive this... again as I said before I see the math as balanced with a 16 start, +1 every chance, and a magic item within atleast 2 of your level...anything else is bonus.qft...and for the record that no longer works (as far as I have seen anyway) optimized and non optimiized (but not shoot your self in the foot 8 prime stat) have a range of about 15 at most...at first level it is about 5, and at 11th it is about 10...I belive that the math was fine before expertise, and that it only does a slight bit of damage at epic... then again way back when phb2 came out I wanted, and I still do want it to be a paragon feat +1, and it autoupgrade to +2 at 21st... I use IE and it doesn't... yea, trust me I am full of crazy things like that...</blockquote>