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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zaran" data-source="post: 5199001" data-attributes="member: 56710">Guys, no offense but you are getting off the topic. We were discussing whether monks are overpowered when compared to other strikers. Let's leave the superior implement discussion for another thread. I don't think feats and abilites that feats grant should be too much of a factor since pretty much every class has feats that it can benefit from. I love monks, but Korjik and I have been comparing the class to other strikers and on paper the monk seems overpowered. We've had few posts on how monks have compared to other strikers. So far, I've learned that Rogues are much more accurate than monks.  Let's look at Sly Flourish vs Crane's Wings at Level 1 using the standard array attributes both with combat advantage. With a Dagger, a Brutal Scoundrel rogue would have a to-hit of +10 (+4 Dex +3 Prof +1 Class +2 CA) vs AC and do 1d4+2d6 +9 (+4 Dex +3 Cha +2 Str) About 18.5 pts of damage A Stone Fist monk in the same situation would have a to-hit of +6 (+4 Dex +2 CA) vs Fort and would do to 1d10+10 (+4 Dex +3 Str+3 Stone first) to the same target. That's about 15.5 damage.  To me, the Rogue beats the monk hands down in both accuracy and damage at least in At-Wills damage. I belive that if the monk is overpowered it would be in the extras like being able move around more or in the high damage Encounter and Dailies. I personally do not think that the movement extras are overpowered. Sticking with the rogue as comparison, they can get at-wills that let them have a free shift or couple squares of extra Move that is comparable to the move actions Monks get as part of their At-wills.</blockquote>

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