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<blockquote data-quote="the Lorax" data-source="post: 2608476" data-attributes="member: 27662"><p>Good rules make the DM's job easier, bad rules make the DM's job more difficult. </p><p>It's not just a 3.xE operating principle, but its just good game design. My players are people who I've been playing with for 15 - 20 years. Some of them will happily take advantage of the rules when it fits the flavor of the character they are playing. It is simply good sense to plan and build upon your characters advantages. </p><p></p><p>The Order of the Bow Initiate is a reasonable extention of this. A bow user who is throwing all his eggs into the basket of ranged attacks, so that he has a clear and definable schtick. He gets lots of neat tricks while using a bow, but not much else. And as using a bow is feat intensive, he is not going to be as good in melee as a result of his choices.</p><p></p><p>Its very easy to say, "Hey, if I'm really nice to all the PC's and NPC's I meet, role play with them at every opprotunity, and try in earnest to be open and engaging, can I have a +2 to my Charisma score. You can take it away any time you like if you feel I'm not demonstrating my dedication to positive social interaction."</p><p></p><p>Anyway, Order of the Bow Initiate is just fine. BoED...is a book that I have to look at and judge the material in on a case by case basis - one spell and feat at a time. Balance can be hard enough to maintain without the power creep of things like Goliaths, and the FR elven flavor of the week. It's the one WoTC book on my shelves that I look and and have to think really hard about allowing stuff in it into my game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="the Lorax, post: 2608476, member: 27662"] Good rules make the DM's job easier, bad rules make the DM's job more difficult. It's not just a 3.xE operating principle, but its just good game design. My players are people who I've been playing with for 15 - 20 years. Some of them will happily take advantage of the rules when it fits the flavor of the character they are playing. It is simply good sense to plan and build upon your characters advantages. The Order of the Bow Initiate is a reasonable extention of this. A bow user who is throwing all his eggs into the basket of ranged attacks, so that he has a clear and definable schtick. He gets lots of neat tricks while using a bow, but not much else. And as using a bow is feat intensive, he is not going to be as good in melee as a result of his choices. Its very easy to say, "Hey, if I'm really nice to all the PC's and NPC's I meet, role play with them at every opprotunity, and try in earnest to be open and engaging, can I have a +2 to my Charisma score. You can take it away any time you like if you feel I'm not demonstrating my dedication to positive social interaction." Anyway, Order of the Bow Initiate is just fine. BoED...is a book that I have to look at and judge the material in on a case by case basis - one spell and feat at a time. Balance can be hard enough to maintain without the power creep of things like Goliaths, and the FR elven flavor of the week. It's the one WoTC book on my shelves that I look and and have to think really hard about allowing stuff in it into my game. [/QUOTE]
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