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Is the Psion class balanced?
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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 2716276" data-attributes="member: 5777"><p>I have run a good amount of things from every wotc book at one point or another.</p><p></p><p>Out of all of them, psionics so far is the best balanced overall, although a lot of it falls on the weaker side of the equation (concussion blast? gah..).</p><p></p><p>It has always seemed that people will forgive almost anything that phb classes do, even if they destroy the system, but if anything in the psionics realm even thinks about trying to play on a level field (read: balanced) they are suddenly beaten down and people shout from the moutain tops that they are overpowered.</p><p></p><p>Each class has strengths and weaknesses, if your campaign heavliy favors the strengths while ignoring weaknesses of a certain class or type of class then any class can seem overpowered. Often it seems campaigns are set up to really favor limited resource classes, and then people complain about the classes themselves instead of looking at the cause of the problem.</p><p></p><p>For psionics in particular people often overlook a few simple issues, but high amongst these is the manifestor cap. If you have a manifestor level of 10 you cannot spend more than 10pp on a given power. <strong>Cannot</strong>.</p><p></p><p>So, for Storyteller above, hope that 100+ level game is going well for you and for XCorvis other caster types actually have bigger and badder novas with less resources spent than psions can even dream of. Even when heavily abusing a power from a certain suppliment (non 3.5 psionics handbook) which can be read in a very odd way. But then we all know that some of the complete books have a few issues here and there, the same could be said of certain parts of the core.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Generally speaking, when a person is having a major balance problem it comes down to a few things:</p><p>1) they are missing a rule which prevents the abuse (see manifestor cap or nails complaint in the other thread that was posted earlier)</p><p>2) there is a campaign specific issue which is causing the actual problem (only having 1 encounter per day/week/whatever when there should always be the threat of 4 so that resources must be spent properly or death will likely occur or foes who seem completely incompetent anytime anything magical happens around them, especially at high levels)</p><p>3) an effect which is meant to be similar to the other magics and it is broken/overpowered there as well (shapechange anyone? Although the psionic version has a recurring exp cost, which is a much more hefty drawback than the other magics version)</p><p>4) confusion about wording (dispel psionics, if you read the whole thing then only one reading makes sense with all of the pieces yet people complain that the other reading is too powerful..but then since that reading doesnt make sense given the rest of the wording... ::shrugs:<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>There are of course some issues of power, and there are some editing problems here and there, but overall psionics is 'much' more balanced than magic in the core (bigger/better spells and many more abusive combos).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scion, post: 2716276, member: 5777"] I have run a good amount of things from every wotc book at one point or another. Out of all of them, psionics so far is the best balanced overall, although a lot of it falls on the weaker side of the equation (concussion blast? gah..). It has always seemed that people will forgive almost anything that phb classes do, even if they destroy the system, but if anything in the psionics realm even thinks about trying to play on a level field (read: balanced) they are suddenly beaten down and people shout from the moutain tops that they are overpowered. Each class has strengths and weaknesses, if your campaign heavliy favors the strengths while ignoring weaknesses of a certain class or type of class then any class can seem overpowered. Often it seems campaigns are set up to really favor limited resource classes, and then people complain about the classes themselves instead of looking at the cause of the problem. For psionics in particular people often overlook a few simple issues, but high amongst these is the manifestor cap. If you have a manifestor level of 10 you cannot spend more than 10pp on a given power. [b]Cannot[/b]. So, for Storyteller above, hope that 100+ level game is going well for you and for XCorvis other caster types actually have bigger and badder novas with less resources spent than psions can even dream of. Even when heavily abusing a power from a certain suppliment (non 3.5 psionics handbook) which can be read in a very odd way. But then we all know that some of the complete books have a few issues here and there, the same could be said of certain parts of the core. Generally speaking, when a person is having a major balance problem it comes down to a few things: 1) they are missing a rule which prevents the abuse (see manifestor cap or nails complaint in the other thread that was posted earlier) 2) there is a campaign specific issue which is causing the actual problem (only having 1 encounter per day/week/whatever when there should always be the threat of 4 so that resources must be spent properly or death will likely occur or foes who seem completely incompetent anytime anything magical happens around them, especially at high levels) 3) an effect which is meant to be similar to the other magics and it is broken/overpowered there as well (shapechange anyone? Although the psionic version has a recurring exp cost, which is a much more hefty drawback than the other magics version) 4) confusion about wording (dispel psionics, if you read the whole thing then only one reading makes sense with all of the pieces yet people complain that the other reading is too powerful..but then since that reading doesnt make sense given the rest of the wording... ::shrugs::) There are of course some issues of power, and there are some editing problems here and there, but overall psionics is 'much' more balanced than magic in the core (bigger/better spells and many more abusive combos). [/QUOTE]
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