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Is the Psion class balanced?
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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2717706" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>It is pretty clear here that your analysis is incomplete and the psion is overpowered.</p><p></p><p>I'd like to point out several things that your analysis totally ignored:</p><p></p><p>1) Neither class will hardly EVER buff up this much. So, all the analysis proves is that the Psion can buff up higher if necessary, not that the Psion will be smoking through her PP more.</p><p></p><p>2) The Wizard does not have a 6D6+5 weapon he can wade into melee with.</p><p></p><p>3) If the Wizard has his defenses lowered due to Dispel Magic or time, he rarely if ever has all of them available for a fight later in the day. The Psion has access to every power at all times as long as she still has PP. The Wizard has to rely on (typically lesser caster level and hence easier to dispell) scrolls.</p><p></p><p>4) The Psion can easily manifest while grappled. The Wizard needs a roll. The Psion can easily manifest while pinned or paralyzed. The Wizard (typically) cannot.</p><p></p><p>5) The Psion can heal herself and others. The Wizard cannot.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Let's look at what might actually happen in a game as opposed to the maxxed out version that almost never happens.</p><p></p><p>Mage Armor / +4 AC / 1 PP</p><p>Shield / +4 AC / 1 PP</p><p>Polymorph / +4 AC / 7 PP</p><p></p><p>AC Improvement / +12</p><p>Rounds To Cast / 2 (assume Mage Armor cast ahead of time)</p><p>Total Expenditure / 9 PP</p><p>Percent of Daily Total / 15%</p><p>Point AC Per PP / 4:3</p><p></p><p></p><p>Inertial Armor / +7 AC / 7 PP</p><p>Force Screen / +4 AC / 1 PP</p><p>Thicken Skin / +1 AC / 1 PP</p><p>Metamorphosis / +4 AC / 7 PP</p><p></p><p>AC Improvement / +16</p><p>Rounds To Cast / 3 (assume Inertial Armor cast ahead of time, although TS is often ahead of time too)</p><p>Total Expenditure / 16 PP</p><p>Percent of Daily Total / 21%</p><p>Point AC Per PP 1:1</p><p></p><p>Yes, the Wizard used less of his % ability. He also has 4 less AC for this battle and several other battles in the day.</p><p></p><p></p><p>But, you looking at percentage is totally inaccurate and one flaw in your reasoning.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In your maxxed example, the Wizard has 41 PP remaining. The Psion has 40 PP remaining. So, even in your extremist pushed to the limit example, the Psion is ACed up more and still has the same amount of power left over.</p><p></p><p>In my more realistic example that might actually happen in the game, the Psion still has a higher AC. But, the Wizard has 41 PP remaining. The Psion has 60 PP remaining. </p><p></p><p></p><p>More AC. More power left over. Can Fight well in melee without Metamorphosis / Polymorph. Can heal. Etc., Etc., Etc.</p><p></p><p>Is the difference starting to become apparent yet?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2717706, member: 2011"] It is pretty clear here that your analysis is incomplete and the psion is overpowered. I'd like to point out several things that your analysis totally ignored: 1) Neither class will hardly EVER buff up this much. So, all the analysis proves is that the Psion can buff up higher if necessary, not that the Psion will be smoking through her PP more. 2) The Wizard does not have a 6D6+5 weapon he can wade into melee with. 3) If the Wizard has his defenses lowered due to Dispel Magic or time, he rarely if ever has all of them available for a fight later in the day. The Psion has access to every power at all times as long as she still has PP. The Wizard has to rely on (typically lesser caster level and hence easier to dispell) scrolls. 4) The Psion can easily manifest while grappled. The Wizard needs a roll. The Psion can easily manifest while pinned or paralyzed. The Wizard (typically) cannot. 5) The Psion can heal herself and others. The Wizard cannot. Let's look at what might actually happen in a game as opposed to the maxxed out version that almost never happens. Mage Armor / +4 AC / 1 PP Shield / +4 AC / 1 PP Polymorph / +4 AC / 7 PP AC Improvement / +12 Rounds To Cast / 2 (assume Mage Armor cast ahead of time) Total Expenditure / 9 PP Percent of Daily Total / 15% Point AC Per PP / 4:3 Inertial Armor / +7 AC / 7 PP Force Screen / +4 AC / 1 PP Thicken Skin / +1 AC / 1 PP Metamorphosis / +4 AC / 7 PP AC Improvement / +16 Rounds To Cast / 3 (assume Inertial Armor cast ahead of time, although TS is often ahead of time too) Total Expenditure / 16 PP Percent of Daily Total / 21% Point AC Per PP 1:1 Yes, the Wizard used less of his % ability. He also has 4 less AC for this battle and several other battles in the day. But, you looking at percentage is totally inaccurate and one flaw in your reasoning. In your maxxed example, the Wizard has 41 PP remaining. The Psion has 40 PP remaining. So, even in your extremist pushed to the limit example, the Psion is ACed up more and still has the same amount of power left over. In my more realistic example that might actually happen in the game, the Psion still has a higher AC. But, the Wizard has 41 PP remaining. The Psion has 60 PP remaining. More AC. More power left over. Can Fight well in melee without Metamorphosis / Polymorph. Can heal. Etc., Etc., Etc. Is the difference starting to become apparent yet? [/QUOTE]
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