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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 2718978" data-attributes="member: 5777">Yep, and given what it does and how easily that would seem appropriate.Although, many do mind it.yeah, there are some differences, which I pointed out. But the level difference plus the power of the lower level one vs the higher level one is pretty indicative. Or at least a sign that one of the two might be a bit out of focus for where it should be.Note that against an even level fighter type the bab will wash out, if the fighter type has an 18 str then the tentacles are still +4 ahead and so will win most of the time. Against anyone else they will have an even harder time of it.If they have no contingency vs grapple then they are in massive trouble. But then they arent very bright either so that isnt much help.Likely though it stops the entire group of foes for at least one round and forces them to expend resources.Looking over the other spells of the same level it simply seems too strong. Sleep? 1 round casting time and only 4 hd effected and a save?Color spray is pretty nice, likely too strong as well considering.Looking over psionic first level powers nothing really comes close to color spray in sheer power. Interesting that.You are making up your own strawman and trying to defeat it here.Balance is important, powerful is not. Many things can be powerful while being or not being balanced.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Scion, post: 2718978, member: 5777"] Yep, and given what it does and how easily that would seem appropriate. Although, many do mind it. yeah, there are some differences, which I pointed out. But the level difference plus the power of the lower level one vs the higher level one is pretty indicative. Or at least a sign that one of the two might be a bit out of focus for where it should be. Note that against an even level fighter type the bab will wash out, if the fighter type has an 18 str then the tentacles are still +4 ahead and so will win most of the time. Against anyone else they will have an even harder time of it. If they have no contingency vs grapple then they are in massive trouble. But then they arent very bright either so that isnt much help. Likely though it stops the entire group of foes for at least one round and forces them to expend resources. Looking over the other spells of the same level it simply seems too strong. Sleep? 1 round casting time and only 4 hd effected and a save? Color spray is pretty nice, likely too strong as well considering. Looking over psionic first level powers nothing really comes close to color spray in sheer power. Interesting that. You are making up your own strawman and trying to defeat it here. Balance is important, powerful is not. Many things can be powerful while being or not being balanced. [/QUOTE]

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