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Message: <blockquote data-quote="irdeggman" data-source="post: 2720814" data-attributes="member: 16285">Quote:Originally Posted by irdeggmanA point to make though is that a properly handled Inspired (if using Eberron source material) should literally have kicked your characters' behinds. They are extremely powerful. They get extra pp (1/level) all of the quari's psi like and spell like abilities (except for ex and su ones) - they still add up a lot based on the "type" of quari sharing the Inspired's body.If the DM didn't do this he/she was doing you an injustice in presenting the true power of your opponent.What I am saying is that if PCs can easily plow through encounter {which is pretty much the impression you have given everyone for your psion} that the DM is not doing his/her job. It is clearly spelled out in the DMG that an equal El encounter should use (on average) 25% of a party’s resources. Since this is (obviously) the BBEG this should be more.Well now this puts things into a more reasonable perspective. Amazing how much can be learned when more detail is provided. If it took 4 encounters to “defeat” the Inspired then this should serve to point out that psions are clearly not as overpowering as you claim they are.Well since you did not give “any” examples of encounters that your elan psion was in it was very difficult to put things into perspective. Combine that with your assertation that your elan psion had managed to plow through most opponents (implied without much of a sweat) what other deduction could I have made?See link posted by Iron Mark (thanks by the way it is very good material). It is not a “free” action it is an immediate action which takes up the swift action for next round, essentially allowing one every other round (the elan will end up taking damage on at least one round).For example in the bathhouse scene you laid out.2 attempted CdG in sequential rounds.  Well since a CdG is an automatic hit that does a critical your elan could have negated the first one (at a fairly hefty pp cost) but the second one couldn’t have been negated since his swift action was already performed for that round and the damage had been done before his next action – where he could use another swift action.Inspired have a heck of lot more pp to use for augmentation purposes, and as you have pointed out augmentation is the key to buffing up the character. Their psi like abilities don’t draw from their pp pool.Quote:Originally Posted by irdeggmanYou had already pointed out that the DM had messed up by allowing immediate actions even when flat-footed - so there is at least one data point to a (at least) weakly prepared DM.See earlier an dplease stop putting words into my posts. I was making an observation based on information provided. If I was not given sufficient information well then. . . .Quote:Originally Posted by irdeggmanYou didn't mention it but I would have hoped that your DM had using a std action psionic power generating AoO.I am not implying the DM is incompetent and it is poor to put such words in my posts. I had said that if the DM had not handled the Inspired “correctly” then he/she was doing you a disservice. This was based on the information you had provided, no more and no less.From your posted recollection of the events:Can’t use immediate action to negate this one since PC is flatfooted. {If DM allowed this, which you aren’t sure of but think he/she did – then first DM error.}What benefit does this do from the assassin’s PoV? Drowning takes several rounds. {Potentially second DM error, by not using NPC’s abilities to max.} Could/should have instead attempted a CdG.Inserting assumption here that Elan character performed some psionic action, although not specified in your post. Generates an AoO which requires concentration check in order to allow completion of psionic manifestation. {If AoO was successful, need to make concentration check to get off manifestation and then could negate by using immediate action which uses next round’s swift action – but that will cause a skip in the following chain of negating damage with immediate actions, IMO you would choose to negate the CdG vice an AoO normally so end up taking this damage.}CdG – auto critical hit.  Elan PC uses ability to negate damage (hence using up next round’s swift action)Insertion of psion’s manifest action. {again not mentioned, but hard to imagine you didn’t do something}. Generates an AoO – if hits can’t negate since used used up next round’s swift action to negate CdG (smart choice would be to use it on any CdG vice an AoO) and ned to make concentration check to get of manifestation.}Auto critical. Can negate by using immediate action (and next round’s swift action) but at a pp cost (2 hit points per pp and since damage is at least (d4 +STR x2) for a dagger starts to add up).</blockquote>

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