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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 2721277" data-attributes="member: 5777">KarinsDad I would appreciate if you would attribute your quote properly. Why you put my name in instead of the person you are quoting I have no idea.It is true that the psion can use pp in a much more fluid way than the sorc can. Of course when they are both useing 7th level spells/powers the sorc has 46% more pp equivalent than the psion does at base, easier access to free scaling abilities, a much larger pool of spells to pick from, and more total spells known than powers known (although this last isnt a useful comparison point given the different nature of what they will know).The sorc can likely cast at least 4 7th level spells a day at this point, although 5 is possible. 4 7th level powers is equivalent to 52 pp, or about a third of the psions total base pp for the day. The sorc then has 6 6th level spells to cast at least, which is 66 pp equivalent, which is over a third of the base.Which means that the psion can indeed put out the higher level abilities more often, but the sorc will be going strong long after the psion is completely out.When the psion burns lower amounts of pp for utility it deplets them faster, when the sorc uses the low level spells for utility he might not even notice. He probably has 6 0th, 8 1st, 8 2nd, 8 3rd, 8 4th all there for utility and combat use for things that do not require saves. The sorc definately wins out in that kind of game, they simply have 'much' more total ability for the day.Part of the comparison is thrown off though because of the sorcs delayed access. Personally, I see no reason for the sorc to even have delayed access. Maybe someday they will fix that <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Which also means that it is a difficult comparison point as well. Each has some pros and cons. Overall I think the psion comes out ahead because of his bonus feats and lack of delayed progression, but I think that is a problem with the sorc (of course the sorc not having to worry about focus in order to do a great deal of things is a pretty huge boon too..hmm).Note that psions dont even get cantrips. They have to use higher level slots to do similar things. Detect psionics is a 1st level power, Detect magic is a cantrip. And there are are other examples of this sort of thing as well.So, from the psions point of view, the sorc and bard have a ton of extra 1st level abilities for free <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  Since 0th level are generally only good for utility this adds a ton of extra utility to them, especially at low levels.</blockquote>

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