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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2722545" data-attributes="member: 2011">Ok. I misunderstood you. I thought you meant that by "one every other round" below that you did not mean once per round.Going back to your earlier post:Several assumptions here:1) The Assassin knew of the PC's ability to manifest while paralyzed. I suspect that the Assassin merely pulled the PC into the water to drown the PC and to temporarily hide the body. Or possibly because the Assassin was evil and wanted the PC to die a slow horrible death instead of a quick one. This is called roleplaying. Some DMs do it. Once opponents stop fighting and are helpless, NPCs (and PCs) do not necessarily CDG as their first action after they think the fight is over. That's called metagaming. Both players and DMs sometimes do it (i.e. the DM knows the PC is capable of psionically counterattacking, so the DM does CDG until he is sure the PC is dead).In our game, PCs have sometimes looted bodies first once opponents were down. They have sometimes done CDG first (in rare cases where they absolutely wanted to ensure that the enemy would not be getting back up). They have sometimes hidden bodies first. They have sometimes ran away immediately (depending on situation).The NPC Assassin from her point of view was no longer in combat once the PC was paralyzed in the surprise round. It's only when I counterattacked in round one that she knew something was wrong. Now, whether her initiative beat mine so that she could pull my PC into the water before the PC counterattacked is something that I do not remember. I do remember her pulling my PC into the water. Even if the Psion won init, maybe she pulled the PC into the water to muffle the sounds of battle. I don't know. But, this is not necessarily a bad move on the Assassin's part. That's metagaming thinking.2) You assume an Attack of Opportunity every round. A Psion can manifest defensively unless you take a real literal reading of the rules.Now, this is an interesting rules situation. You get an AoO for someone manifesting. If they are paralyzed, how do you know they are manifesting in order to get an AoO (what if they hide the displays)?They can also attempt to manifest defensively which in the text states that they need to dodge and weave. Well, they cannot dodge and weave if helpless, so does that mean that they cannot manifest defensively when helpless? From a literal rules perspective, they cannot. I suspect that this was merely flavor text to explain why an AoO occurs (this is not the explanation for cast defensively), but it could easily be literally ruled no manifesting defensively while helpless.This has always been a hole in the AoO rules. If a Wizard is prone next to you and casts a spell, you get an AoO against him. If a Wizard is prone next to you and is invisible and casts a spell with no Verbal component (and potentially no other components), you get an AoO against him. If a Wizard is prone next to you unconscious (or stunned), you do not get an AoO against him. The unconscious Wizard has more of a defense against a free attack then the conscious Wizard detectable or not (unless there is a rules change in 3.5 that I am unaware of).I do not remember the order of battle, nor all of the powers I manifested. I do know that I manifested an Astral Construct to distract and damage her, I manifested a Vigor to keep me alive longer, and I manifested an Energy Bolt Sonic (or Energy Ray Sonic, not sure which) to both damage her and to alert my allies.In any case, the situation was probably adjudicated reasonably ok. Psions are not truly helpless, even when paralyzed. No amount of "Did your DM remember to do this?" is really going to change that.</blockquote>

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