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Message: <blockquote data-quote="helium3" data-source="post: 2722606" data-attributes="member: 31301">Yeah, that sounds about right. I just about TPK'd my party the first time I used Evards against them. They went up against a 15th level Lich and for some odd reason, no one had EVER used that spell before in our group. If I remember right, everyone was obsessed with evocation spells and had never seriously considered offensive uses of the conjuration school. So when the Lich nailed them with Evards, then an acid fog and then started blinding anyone that came out of the Fog they just freaked out. The monk made it out of the fog but then got nailed with a blindness and was subsequently useless. The only reason the party managed to survive was because the Cleric of St. Cuthbert used his strength domain ability to resolve the grapple check in his favor, got out of the fog while moving away from the Lich and then dispelled the tentacles.Basically, Evards is a lot nastier until players start taking getting out of grapples into acount when building their characters. Once the Wizard starts devoting one spell slot to Dim Door, things are not so problematic. Course, most wizards don't want to do this when they only have one or two slots. I also think that a significant number of D&D players haven't actually played many games where 4th level spells are common. I've noticed on these boards that there's a fairly strong belief that levels above ten are just too difficult to play. There was a poll about it I think.</blockquote>

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