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<blockquote data-quote="helium3" data-source="post: 2724423" data-attributes="member: 31301"><p>I completely disagree with this statement. I've watched a character play the same sorcerer from 1st to 15th level and the low level spells were still being used all the time at 15th level. Granted, our combats generally were really nasty slug-fests at that level with one or two high CR monsters and a smattering of lower CR monsters. In a fight against a very old dragon you're correct that magic missle isn't such a hot spell. But, if you're routinely going up against very old dragons and blasting through them, as someone pointed out earlier, your DM is really doing you a disservice. Magic Missle is still pretty durned effective against a number of high CR monsters as long as you can get through the spell resistance. Sometimes, you have to beat the opponent by wearing them down, not blasting them twice with an uber-spell.</p><p></p><p>So no, you can't pretend that the lower level spells don't exist because it's just not true.</p><p></p><p>One thing I've noticed about the ENWorld board is that a lot of posters seem to think that damage output per round is supposed to scale exponentially or something. Like, if you're not doing 12d6 points of damage per round you're doing something wrong. Granted, there are some combat situations where that does happen, but it's certainly not the norm from my experience.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not sure how many times I need to say this, but the reason that a Psion has less oomph than a Sorcerer is because they have more flexibility. If you think there shouldn't be compensation for loss of flexibility, then you have a fundamental problem with the entire 3.5 game system, not just Psions. </p><p></p><p>I think you are overly trivializing the abilities of a Sorcerer when you only consider the use of spells that do damage and conclude that low level spells are "useless" because they can't blast as much as high level spells. There are a lot of things that lower level spells can do besides blasting people, not to mention that some of the lower level offensive spells are STILL USEFUL at higher levels. Yes, a Psion has a wider range of possible effects than a Sorcerer, which is why a Sorcerer has a greater level of total power.</p><p></p><p>Again, if you think it's unfair that Psions have more "oomph" than a Wizard, then you must also conclude that it's unfair that Sorcerers have more "oomph" than a Wizard. Unless of course you're making the argument that Psions are as flexible as Wizards???</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="helium3, post: 2724423, member: 31301"] I completely disagree with this statement. I've watched a character play the same sorcerer from 1st to 15th level and the low level spells were still being used all the time at 15th level. Granted, our combats generally were really nasty slug-fests at that level with one or two high CR monsters and a smattering of lower CR monsters. In a fight against a very old dragon you're correct that magic missle isn't such a hot spell. But, if you're routinely going up against very old dragons and blasting through them, as someone pointed out earlier, your DM is really doing you a disservice. Magic Missle is still pretty durned effective against a number of high CR monsters as long as you can get through the spell resistance. Sometimes, you have to beat the opponent by wearing them down, not blasting them twice with an uber-spell. So no, you can't pretend that the lower level spells don't exist because it's just not true. One thing I've noticed about the ENWorld board is that a lot of posters seem to think that damage output per round is supposed to scale exponentially or something. Like, if you're not doing 12d6 points of damage per round you're doing something wrong. Granted, there are some combat situations where that does happen, but it's certainly not the norm from my experience. I'm not sure how many times I need to say this, but the reason that a Psion has less oomph than a Sorcerer is because they have more flexibility. If you think there shouldn't be compensation for loss of flexibility, then you have a fundamental problem with the entire 3.5 game system, not just Psions. I think you are overly trivializing the abilities of a Sorcerer when you only consider the use of spells that do damage and conclude that low level spells are "useless" because they can't blast as much as high level spells. There are a lot of things that lower level spells can do besides blasting people, not to mention that some of the lower level offensive spells are STILL USEFUL at higher levels. Yes, a Psion has a wider range of possible effects than a Sorcerer, which is why a Sorcerer has a greater level of total power. Again, if you think it's unfair that Psions have more "oomph" than a Wizard, then you must also conclude that it's unfair that Sorcerers have more "oomph" than a Wizard. Unless of course you're making the argument that Psions are as flexible as Wizards??? [/QUOTE]
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