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Is the Psion class balanced?
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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2725283" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Assuming the spellcasters have those or have them available.</p><p></p><p>Psions automatically get the equivalent of Stilled Spell and (most of) Silent Spell and Eschew Materials for FREE for every power they manifest for ZERO extra cost.</p><p></p><p>Advantage: Psion</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok, here is where you haven't gotten the correlation and the point that Scion never mentions. A Psionic focus is not a drawback. It's an advantage.</p><p></p><p>Spell casters can cast spell. Psions can manifest powers.</p><p></p><p>So far, even.</p><p></p><p>Psions have a focus that they can use for a lot of things. Spellcasters do not.</p><p></p><p>You consider that focus a limitation because it can only be used once before it has to be reacquired.</p><p></p><p>I consider it a MAJOR advantage because you can use it to do things that no spell caster can do without a spell.</p><p></p><p>You can up weapon damage with it, you can increase manifester level with it, you can seriously penetrate power resistance (equivalent to getting two arcane feats for one psionic feat), you can walk up a wall past an opponent and get behind him, you can move faster with it, etc., etc., etc., etc.</p><p></p><p>All these things you can do combat after combat after combat (or even out of combat) and the only limitation to most of them is that you are limited to once per combat shy of using up actions to get it back.</p><p></p><p>Look at the feats that are only 3 times per day (e.g. Sudden Empower). Psions can use their special overpowered feats (like Overchannel which no spell caster can do) dozens or more times per day. Not 3. They can use feats like Speed of Thought thousands of times per day. Spellcasters cannot take a feat to up their speed by 10 (shy of going into the broken XPH book and taking Wild Talent or a psionic race before they take Speed of Thought).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Considering Psionic Focus to be a limitation is like considering Turning Undead to be a limitation because you can only do it so many times per day.</p><p></p><p>And that is the flaw in the focus is a limitation point of view. It totally ignores all of the wonderful things that a Psion can choose to do with a focus and totally concentrates that he is basically limited to once per combat for those wonderful things.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, he does not have to know. He can guess. He has a CHOICE.</p><p></p><p>The spell caster does not.</p><p></p><p>Advantage: Psion</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Only the energy type portion and then only one energy type PER feat. Not the extra damage. Not the change which saving throw is used.</p><p></p><p>Major Advantage: Psion</p><p></p><p>He can do more without a feat than the arcane caster can do with multiple feats.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2725283, member: 2011"] Assuming the spellcasters have those or have them available. Psions automatically get the equivalent of Stilled Spell and (most of) Silent Spell and Eschew Materials for FREE for every power they manifest for ZERO extra cost. Advantage: Psion Ok, here is where you haven't gotten the correlation and the point that Scion never mentions. A Psionic focus is not a drawback. It's an advantage. Spell casters can cast spell. Psions can manifest powers. So far, even. Psions have a focus that they can use for a lot of things. Spellcasters do not. You consider that focus a limitation because it can only be used once before it has to be reacquired. I consider it a MAJOR advantage because you can use it to do things that no spell caster can do without a spell. You can up weapon damage with it, you can increase manifester level with it, you can seriously penetrate power resistance (equivalent to getting two arcane feats for one psionic feat), you can walk up a wall past an opponent and get behind him, you can move faster with it, etc., etc., etc., etc. All these things you can do combat after combat after combat (or even out of combat) and the only limitation to most of them is that you are limited to once per combat shy of using up actions to get it back. Look at the feats that are only 3 times per day (e.g. Sudden Empower). Psions can use their special overpowered feats (like Overchannel which no spell caster can do) dozens or more times per day. Not 3. They can use feats like Speed of Thought thousands of times per day. Spellcasters cannot take a feat to up their speed by 10 (shy of going into the broken XPH book and taking Wild Talent or a psionic race before they take Speed of Thought). Considering Psionic Focus to be a limitation is like considering Turning Undead to be a limitation because you can only do it so many times per day. And that is the flaw in the focus is a limitation point of view. It totally ignores all of the wonderful things that a Psion can choose to do with a focus and totally concentrates that he is basically limited to once per combat for those wonderful things. No, he does not have to know. He can guess. He has a CHOICE. The spell caster does not. Advantage: Psion Only the energy type portion and then only one energy type PER feat. Not the extra damage. Not the change which saving throw is used. Major Advantage: Psion He can do more without a feat than the arcane caster can do with multiple feats. [/QUOTE]
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