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<blockquote data-quote="hong" data-source="post: 91993" data-attributes="member: 537">mmadsen has also said that the shaman is not what he's looking for, either (at least not without wholesale changes to the basic D&amp;D rules). But then I really don't know what it is he wants. Maybe he should play Pendragon or GURPS; it would be a heck of a lot less work.No, I tell a lie. It seems abundantly clear that what you and he _really_ want is not so much a viable, independent spellcasting class that would be fun to play, but just a henchman to buff up the party fighters, and/or a DM oracle to hand out plot tidbits. Since these are essentially NPC roles, you might as well dump spellcasting PCs altogether, as I also suggested (but you seem to have ignored).Hence, I have to ask, why bother tweaking the classes? Just dump all PC spellcasters entirely. If magic is entirely controlled by the DM, all your problems disappear. You can make it as &quot;magical&quot; or &quot;mysterious&quot; as you want, and you don't have to worry about bigheaded wizards stealing the show with their boom spells.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hong, post: 91993, member: 537"] mmadsen has also said that the shaman is not what he's looking for, either (at least not without wholesale changes to the basic D&D rules). But then I really don't know what it is he wants. Maybe he should play Pendragon or GURPS; it would be a heck of a lot less work. No, I tell a lie. It seems abundantly clear that what you and he _really_ want is not so much a viable, independent spellcasting class that would be fun to play, but just a henchman to buff up the party fighters, and/or a DM oracle to hand out plot tidbits. Since these are essentially NPC roles, you might as well dump spellcasting PCs altogether, as I also suggested (but you seem to have ignored). Hence, I have to ask, why bother tweaking the classes? Just dump all PC spellcasters entirely. If magic is entirely controlled by the DM, all your problems disappear. You can make it as "magical" or "mysterious" as you want, and you don't have to worry about bigheaded wizards stealing the show with their boom spells. [/QUOTE]

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