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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Petrosian" data-source="post: 128222" data-attributes="member: 1149">double dipping as in instead of applying one obvious element apply two smaller elements whose impact is multiplicative.battle axe on keen... crits one more time in 20 for +200% damage... +10% net...battleaxe on this thang... crits one more time in 20 for +300%... +15% net.Simply put, for weapons with crit on 20, Ok for those slow in the audience lets say many simple weapons, this gives you all the impact, all the bam, all the bang of KEEN ***plus*** an increase in damage multiplier.So we are already producing MORE than the gross effect of the third level spell for the weapons commonly used by the class.DOH!Now we begin to spin it..."but its duration will only be enough for one combat"lowering the duration is fine but usually is NOT a tremendous deal when comparing magnitude. I am not dismissing it but its not gonna override the bang.Lets put it another way...would you allow bull strength, cats grace, etc at first level spell if they only lasted for 1r/l? If so my sor would love you.would you allow Poly self at 3rd level spells if it only lasted 1r/l? If so my sor would love you.would you allow GMW at second level spells if it only lasted 1r/l/ if so my sor would love you.But fortunately in this case we have a different thing. The spell is EVEN more powerful other than duration. So even if in all the above cases you said "sure that seems close but fair" this spell is more powerful than keen.Now they line up outside to protest... "but but but it isnt more powerful than keen if cast on other weapons than, well,  the ones a cleric will typically use"...to which the answer is "well DOH... there are weapons which keen would be better on, but guess what rocket scientist, the caster WONT THROW IT ON THOSE WEAPONS.Bull strength is a pretty useless spell when cast on a turnip. How many levels should we reduce it as a spell based on this? NONE.When balancing a spell you gotta figure it will be cast intelligently.</blockquote>

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