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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Petrosian" data-source="post: 128340" data-attributes="member: 1149">[/B]</blockquote>And a spell level down instead of an all important higher level spell.Presumption, these intelligent enemies know how to tell the difference between these and the longer ones. Not a valid case in at least half the combats i see.Presumption, the enemies have nothing TO FIGHT FOR. This is just a pickup battle for them. They can pull away for a minute and have no concerns whatsoever over what the party can do in that minute. In my games, the serious fights usually have a reason and as such pulling back and giving the area to your enemy for a minute is not NORMALLY a good thing."Ok and now we are... uhh boss whiel we were gone they wrecked the alter and left. Can we do that big ritual of yours without the altar made of 1000 bones from hanged men? boss? Are you crying?"No, you have lower level spells with different goals. Again even if these are Ok, the one in question provides more than the longer version.Which has little to do with a comparison but does indeed add one more point of benefit to this spell.snip the " you aren't posting like i want you to crap"irrelevent.  the question is about what the spell does and can do when used properly.  not about who would want what weapon. The cleric's weapon list is pretty good for low crit chance weapons. That;s the same set of weapons this spell beats keen at.How can you be wrong when thats what i said above? Ok i will try this again since you did not get it the first time...On low crit chance weapons, this spell beats keen hands down in its effect. this happens to coincide with the clerics base weapons list pretty well.On high crit chance weapons, the spell is worse than keen. of course, the clerics wont throw this spell if he is using those weapons. This is therefore not important.Example: Bull strength when cast on a fighter is a wonderful spell. Bull strength when cast on a turnip is a lousy spell. Should we take the turnip thing into account and make bull strength a cantrip? NO! no one will cast bull strength on a turnip so it doesn't matter.if you want to claim balance because if used poorly the spell doesn't do as much as a HIGHER level spell, then that shows a great deal about your sense of balance.For my money, i want to see how much it does when used intelligently by those who can use it.In my game, this spell would not be second level. it can be a cantrip in yours if you wish. enjoy your games.[/QUOTE]

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