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Is the Spiked Chain Fighter really that Cheesy?
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<blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 4097853" data-attributes="member: 3929"><p><strong>Benefits:</strong> the Enlarged person has a higher Strength, a bonus to tripping, a bonus to disarming, a bonus to grappling, bigger damage dice, and his increase in reach means that opponents will be further away from him when he trips them.</p><p></p><p><strong>Costs:</strong> if the assailant is Medium-sized or smaller, the Enlarged person must withdraw 10' to bring the assailant into his weapon's threatened area; lower AC; lower Dex; lower Attack bonus.</p><p></p><p>Posit: still generally acceptable. With all those bonuses, you'd better be able to keep him Prone. That or your dice hate you.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is true. The existence of a Half-ogre Rogue/Warblade/Fighter/Monk/Crusader/WitchSlayer does not prevent a Maug Fighter/Warmind/ExoticWeaponMaster from being milk derivative. Nor does equipping said cheese-Maug with a weapon transfer its cheesyness to said weapon.</p><p></p><p>If the weapon is broken, it should be easier to demonstrate than your trotted out Maug. (And considering that <em>Glitterdust</em> and <em>Fireball</em> are still its weak points at ECL 10, it doesn't demonstrate it hardly at all.)</p><p></p><p>But perhaps it is easier to demonstrate and I've just been focusing too much on the race. You suggested:</p><p></p><p></p><p>Shall we try this again without the killed-by-two-<em>Fireballs</em>-Maug?</p><p></p><p>Make me run home to mama.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Felix, post: 4097853, member: 3929"] [b]Benefits:[/b] the Enlarged person has a higher Strength, a bonus to tripping, a bonus to disarming, a bonus to grappling, bigger damage dice, and his increase in reach means that opponents will be further away from him when he trips them. [b]Costs:[/b] if the assailant is Medium-sized or smaller, the Enlarged person must withdraw 10' to bring the assailant into his weapon's threatened area; lower AC; lower Dex; lower Attack bonus. Posit: still generally acceptable. With all those bonuses, you'd better be able to keep him Prone. That or your dice hate you. This is true. The existence of a Half-ogre Rogue/Warblade/Fighter/Monk/Crusader/WitchSlayer does not prevent a Maug Fighter/Warmind/ExoticWeaponMaster from being milk derivative. Nor does equipping said cheese-Maug with a weapon transfer its cheesyness to said weapon. If the weapon is broken, it should be easier to demonstrate than your trotted out Maug. (And considering that [i]Glitterdust[/i] and [i]Fireball[/i] are still its weak points at ECL 10, it doesn't demonstrate it hardly at all.) But perhaps it is easier to demonstrate and I've just been focusing too much on the race. You suggested: Shall we try this again without the killed-by-two-[i]Fireballs[/i]-Maug? Make me run home to mama. [/QUOTE]
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