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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Argyle King" data-source="post: 5762244" data-attributes="member: 58416">While I agree (and have posted in other threads) that some people do associate D&D with rpgs, I would argue that's not the case as much as it was previously.  I imagine my anecdotal evidence isn't worth a hill of beans, but I compare what the atmosphere was like when I first learned D&D 10 or so years ago compared to now and the time in between.  I more often hear other rpg names being thrown around now than I had before.  D&D is still seen as what I suppose as a flagship, but I feel a broader variety of games are seen and heard more than before.  Personally, I think what needs to happen is for the hobby -or at least a fracture of it- to reinvent itself.  Embrace the split instead of fighting against it.  I do not believe the term 'RPG' is still healthy as a blanket term.  It has too much baggage, and I also believe that games have evolved enough to where it can be sometimes difficult to categorize some of them under the same thing.  I'd like to see games which label themselves differently; create more of their own identity rather than trying to fit into the broader label.  Imagine if with D&D 5th Edition we got the Dungeons & Dragons roleplaying game, but Paizo published the Golarion collaborative storytelling system.I only chose to use WoTC and Paizo for ease of reference.  What's in a name?  I suppose my question is whether the two ways of saying the same thing really say the same thing or if they cause your mind to have different expectations.  How would the different label be perceived by someone seeing the product for the first time; someone who hasn't played rpgs?edit:  The funny thing about experiences are how different they can be.  In your experience, you've never heard people trash D&D in public.  I have.  Likewise, your GURPS/D&D conflict is actually the exact opposite of what I went through.  Back when I was looking to try games outside of D&D, I remember picking up a GURPS book in the store and having somebody tell me 'you don't want that; it's way too complicated to even be playable.'  So, I spent about another hour in the store looking through the shelves of books; eventually coming back to GURPS and narrowing my choices between it and (if I remember correctly) Hero System 5th Edition.  For some reason, GURPS seemed to click in my head during a brief look through the core books in a way that Hero didn't.  (Not bashing Hero; for some reason, my mind just didn't take in the information as well during a cursory glance.)  In spite of more heckling, I bought the core set, and I'm glad I did.</blockquote>

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