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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Halivar" data-source="post: 5763987" data-attributes="member: 9327">The split came long before 4E for the person that matters most: me. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />In all honesty, though, two years before 4E came out I was looking at new systems, including a home-brew dice-pool game that completely replaced D&D for me for a solid two years. I simply didn't want to play 3.x anymore, and was looking in a lot of places for a replacement*. I squeezed some new life out of it when we decided to use gestalt rules by default, but by the time 4E came along I was eager for something new.As for the split... I don't think there is one. At the end of the day, each gamer is playing a d20 game that is almost identical to the hated *other* d20 system. When half the gamers out there are playing with dice pools or some such, then I might call it a split.*EDIT: I should mention that I was also hard-core anti-WotC at the time, saying "I'll won't give WotC another thin red cent." Only to be roped back in by 4E.</blockquote>