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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheLoneRanger1979" data-source="post: 6833662" data-attributes="member: 6804148">True..... and it's why i dislike both point buys and standard arrays. However, just yesterday (i kid you not) i played with the idea of trying to create 1E or 2E classes with a point buy system, but retaining the minimal requirements for each class. Naturally i tried the ranger first, as it was a class that needed a 13, 13, 14, 14 in 4 ability scores, with one 13 being Dex or Int (depending on the edition), and the others being 13 STR, 14 Con and 14 Wis. A 27 point buy system, can get you a 14, 14, 13, 13, 11, 08 od 15, 13, 13, 13, 11, 08 from the get go, without any racial modifiers. Assuming this is 1E, you want your ranger to be Str based.  So you take i.e. a variant human, you add +1 to 13 for 14 Con, +1 to 13 for 14 Wis.... et voila..... 15 STR, 11 Dex, 14 Con, 13 Int, 14 Wis, 8 Cha, human ranger with alert feat and +5 initiative. Or, standard human with 16 Str, 12 Dex, 14 Con, 14 Int, 14 Wis, 9 Cha. Or go with a half elf and gain 8+2 for 10 Cha, 13+1 for 14 Con and 14+1 for 15 Str and you have a 15 STR, 11 Dex, 14 Con, 13 Int, 14 Wis, 10 Cha ranger. In all these cases, these are pretty versatile and playable Characters. True, they may mature one ASI slower then regular optimizers (except the standard human, who has no issues keeping up), but i don't think they would fall that much behind and you could still have plenty of Wis and/or Int based skills depending on your background. Weather these arrays are viable for e 5E half casting dex based ranger is another thing though...... but you could still go for an outlander fighter.....So..... IMO, things aren't all that bad. I might even make my replacement PC based on these...EDIT: For a 2E, 13 Dex ranger, just swap Int for Dex.</blockquote>

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