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<blockquote data-quote="ChrisCarlson" data-source="post: 6833676" data-attributes="member: 6801216">I'm genuinely confused. The whole long paragraph above goes on and on about all the stuff EKs get and can do. Then you say paladins are stronger. I don't get it. &nbsp;So why then claim you need multiple, extremely high stats to be viable?That's fine. But why are you letting that influence what you know to be true? That 5e's BA system does not require high stats to be playable.5e cast dispel illusion on MAD.This sounds hyperbolic to me. I just don't see it. An archer rogue has plenty of places where stat bonuses are extremely useful. It is still a decision point. This, I flat-out rebuke. Not only because it falsely equates &quot;builds&quot; with roleplaying options, but also because it continues to conflate optimization with power-levels. Cap'n Kobold already addressed that point above.Not exactly. It's that, until you can show that MAD even exists in 5e, to a degree that you seem to claim, I will continue to reject your premise. How can MAD exist if a character with all scores ranging from 10-14 is functional and playable? Again, every class, every build, has plenty of places where a stat bump is beneficial, interesting, and useful. Unless you can give an actual example of a class that has no use for more than one or two high ability scores...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ChrisCarlson, post: 6833676, member: 6801216"] I'm genuinely confused. The whole long paragraph above goes on and on about all the stuff EKs get and can do. Then you say paladins are stronger. I don't get it. So why then claim you need multiple, extremely high stats to be viable? That's fine. But why are you letting that influence what you know to be true? That 5e's BA system does not require high stats to be playable. 5e cast [i]dispel illusion[/i] on MAD. This sounds hyperbolic to me. I just don't see it. An archer rogue has plenty of places where stat bonuses are extremely useful. It is still a decision point. This, I flat-out rebuke. Not only because it falsely equates "builds" with roleplaying options, but also because it continues to conflate optimization with power-levels. Cap'n Kobold already addressed that point above. Not exactly. It's that, until you can show that MAD even exists in 5e, to a degree that you seem to claim, I will continue to reject your premise. How can MAD exist if a character with all scores ranging from 10-14 is functional and playable? Again, every class, every build, has plenty of places where a stat bump is beneficial, interesting, and useful. Unless you can give an actual example of a class that has no use for more than one or two high ability scores... [/QUOTE]

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