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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6418581" data-attributes="member: 2011">Let's take something more familiar as an example:6 foot tall human with 12 Str.We both agree that he can high jump 4 feet for a total of 10. Same human, with fist and with whip.1a) Fist using jump reach: 10 + 3 = 13.2a) Fist using attack reach: 10 + 5 = 15.3a) Fist using attack reach plus jump reach: 10 + 5 + 3 = 18.1b) Whip using jump reach: 10 + 3 = 13.2b) Whip using attack reach: 10 + 15 = 25.3b) Whip using attack reach plus jump reach: 10 + 15 + 3 = 28.I don't view 1b as a reasonable interpretation of the rules, so I don't view 1a as a reasonable interpretation of the rules. It should work the same for both cases.I also don't view 3a as a reasonable interpretation of the rules. Given that his maximum reach is 13 feet up, he should not be able to attack 18 feet up. This extends his arm out twice, once for maximum reaching and once for attack reaching. They are effectively the same thing. So, I view 3b the same way, even though there is little difference in the math there for the whip case (3 feet.This leaves 2a and 2b as the best interpretations. Not just because they mathematically make the most sense, but the extra x1/2 jump rule is discussing reaching up with both arms (presumably to touch or grab something) and not as an attack.Now extrapolating this to a giant sized creature 50 feet tall and 30 Str, the reason that such creatures have 15 or 20 feet long reaches is that they have limbs that can basically reach that far. For a 50 foot tall creature with a normal reach of 15 and one of 25 using a whip:1a) Fist using jump reach: 63 (i.e. 50 tall +3 jump +10 str) + 25 = 88.2a) Fist using attack reach: 63 + 15 = 78.3a) Fist using attack reach plus jump reach: 63 + 15 + 25 = 103.1b) Whip using jump reach: 63 + 25 = 88.2b) Whip using attack reach: 63 + 25 = 88.3b) Whip using attack reach plus jump reach: 63 + 25 +25 = 113.3c just does not make sense. A creature that is 50 feet tall that can normally attack 75 feet with a whip into the air should not be able to jump up and attack something 113 feet in the air. That's the equivalent of a 28 foot jump, not a 13 foot jump.</blockquote>

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