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<blockquote data-quote="Bendris Noulg" data-source="post: 1489591" data-attributes="member: 6398">Glad to see you are capable of making such brilliant character assessments based on a single subject in a single thread.&nbsp; Here's one to consider: We have two publishers.&nbsp; One states in their books that posting their material on a website is fine.&nbsp; The other states that they would prefer it that such didn't happen.&nbsp; Which one of these is the &quot;ethical&quot; publisher: The one that fully acknowledges the implications of the aggreement they made (which I illustrate above) by using the OGL or the one that would try to label those implications as &quot;petty&quot;.&nbsp;To me, the publisher that has an &quot;eyes wide open&quot; approach is the more ethical; They realize what Open Gaming is and embrace it and all of its ramifications, and they don't try to call other people &quot;petty&quot; or &quot;sleazy&quot; for doing what is explicitly allowed by the OGL and thus agreed to allow.&nbsp;There would be no reason to &quot;keep goodwill&quot; if the licensor understood and accepted exactly what making their material OGC means.&nbsp; Bad will only seems to foster when someone suddenly realizes that they have no control over their material and seek to discredit those people that would try to use it.&nbsp;This is the &quot;cup's half empty&quot; view; From the other side, one would say, &quot;they knew or should have known exactly what they were agreeing to when they used the OGL.&quot;&nbsp;A publisher not liking the results of the OGL does not make OGC re-users unethical for re-using the OGC in question.&nbsp;Actually, unless S&amp;B has some kind of Co-Adaptability License or permission from GR to reference S&amp;B was obtained by an independant agreement, the so-called &quot;Ethical&quot; publisher is in violation of Section 7 of the OGL.&nbsp;That's funny.&nbsp;No, it's a question of Law.&nbsp; Trust me on this.&nbsp; Ethics and morality have been discussed on the OGF mailing lists many times and thus far have proven to be meaningless compared to the wording of the license.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bendris Noulg, post: 1489591, member: 6398"] Glad to see you are capable of making such brilliant character assessments based on a single subject in a single thread. Here's one to consider: We have two publishers. One states in their books that posting their material on a website is fine. The other states that they would prefer it that such didn't happen. Which one of these is the "ethical" publisher: The one that fully acknowledges the implications of the aggreement they made (which I illustrate above) by using the OGL or the one that would try to label those implications as "petty". To me, the publisher that has an "eyes wide open" approach is the more ethical; They realize what Open Gaming is and embrace it and all of its ramifications, and they don't try to call other people "petty" or "sleazy" for doing what is explicitly allowed by the OGL and thus agreed to allow. There would be no reason to "keep goodwill" if the licensor understood and accepted [i]exactly[/i] what making their material OGC means. Bad will only seems to foster when someone suddenly realizes that they have no control over their material and seek to discredit those people that would try to use it. This is the "cup's half empty" view; From the other side, one would say, "they knew or should have known exactly what they were agreeing to when they used the OGL." A publisher not liking the results of the OGL does not make OGC re-users unethical for re-using the OGC in question. Actually, unless S&B has some kind of Co-Adaptability License or permission from GR to reference S&B was obtained by an independant agreement, the so-called "Ethical" publisher is in violation of Section 7 of the OGL. That's funny. No, it's a question of Law. Trust me on this. Ethics and morality have been discussed on the OGF mailing lists many times and thus far have proven to be meaningless compared to the wording of the license. [/QUOTE]

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