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<blockquote data-quote="Bendris Noulg" data-source="post: 1489766" data-attributes="member: 6398">Or, they could work on providing more books that aren't 95% crunch.&nbsp; In other words, they could improve the quality of the non-OGC material thus providing a means for their product to retain viability after their material has been distributed through another source.&nbsp;This is an apples-to-oranges comparison.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; Because the OGL stipulates that the license is irrevocable (Section 4) unless certain conditions arise (12 and 13).&nbsp; What most of your argument sums up as is an attempt to use &quot;morality&quot; to bypass the conditions of Section 2; as there is no legal way to add conditions to re-use, there is instead going to be a &quot;social stigma&quot; attached to anyone that distributes the material in a way the original Contributor doesn't agree to.&nbsp;And that is unethical.&nbsp;Incorrect.&nbsp; Your &quot;super module&quot; will fit one of the following four conditions:&nbsp;1. Redistribute the OGC material making S&amp;B irrelevant to the product.2. Distribute derived material without mention of S&amp;B.3. Distribute derived material referencing S&amp;B in violation of Section 7 of the OGL.4. Distribute derived material referencing S&amp;B with special permission from Green Ronin to do so.&nbsp;#1 is what you are indicating you don't want to do, so it's out.&nbsp; Baring #1, #2 is all you have left within the bounds of the OGL, but this leaves your customers with a bunch of numbers/terms that have no meaning to them unless they happen to own the unidentified book.&nbsp; #3 is like #2, but to give the reader a point of reference, you indicate co-adaptability with S&amp;B, which Section 7 of the OGL forbids.&nbsp; #4 is like #3 but you have obtained a seperate agreement with Green Ronin to mention S&amp;B as Section 7 of the OGL does allow, but that agreement is outside of the OGL itself.&nbsp;So when I buy your &quot;super module&quot;, which of these conditions will I find?&nbsp;See, unlike you, I don't see &quot;the death of the hobby&quot;.&nbsp; If anything, the hobby has been liberated: The OGL allows anyone to produce gaming material.&nbsp; We no longer need WotC or even D&amp;D.&nbsp; I'm not worried if there will be a 4E.&nbsp; Hell, I'm not worried about WotC going bankrupt.&nbsp; The OGL has freed the d20 system from the decisions and fate of one company.&nbsp;And, to examplify my stance, I submit the following list:&nbsp;Complete WarriorBook of Exalted DeedsDeities &amp; DemigodsDraconomicon&nbsp;These are four books that I have not purchased because of a lack of OGC within them (and if I looked more at a few of their other titles or their upcoming titles, I'd likely find more).&nbsp; If they were opened up, even if the rules were ported directly into the SRD, I would be at Amazon in a heart-beat ordering them.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; Because I support Open Gaming and I support the companies that contribute to it by buying the products that I feel make worthy contributions.&nbsp; Heck, UA is the first WotC product I've bought since the BoVD, reason being that I was tired of trying to skirt-around the topic of rules I use but can't include on my website (such as Sanity and W&amp;V) without contacting Andy Smith at WotC legal to reference the material (for the record, my current list of &quot;permitted&quot; references includes MotP, BoVD, OA, MaoF, FRCS, and the 3.0 splat-books).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bendris Noulg, post: 1489766, member: 6398"] Or, they could work on providing more books that aren't 95% crunch. In other words, they could improve the quality of the non-OGC material thus providing a means for their product to retain viability after their material has been distributed through another source. This is an apples-to-oranges comparison. Why? Because the OGL stipulates that the license is irrevocable (Section 4) unless certain conditions arise (12 and 13). What most of your argument sums up as is an attempt to use "morality" to bypass the conditions of Section 2; as there is no legal way to add conditions to re-use, there is instead going to be a "social stigma" attached to anyone that distributes the material in a way the original Contributor doesn't agree to. And [i]that[/i] is unethical. Incorrect. Your "super module" will fit one of the following four conditions: 1. Redistribute the OGC material making S&B irrelevant to the product. 2. Distribute derived material without mention of S&B. 3. Distribute derived material referencing S&B in violation of Section 7 of the OGL. 4. Distribute derived material referencing S&B with special permission from Green Ronin to do so. #1 is what you are indicating you [i]don't[/i] want to do, so it's out. Baring #1, #2 is all you have left within the bounds of the OGL, but this leaves your customers with a bunch of numbers/terms that have no meaning to them unless they happen to own the unidentified book. #3 is like #2, but to give the reader a point of reference, you indicate co-adaptability with S&B, which Section 7 of the OGL forbids. #4 is like #3 but you have obtained a seperate agreement with Green Ronin to mention S&B as Section 7 of the OGL [i]does[/i] allow, but that agreement is outside of the OGL itself. So when I buy your "super module", which of these conditions will I find? See, unlike you, I don't see "the death of the hobby". If anything, the hobby has been liberated: The OGL allows [i]anyone[/i] to produce gaming material. We no longer need WotC or even D&D. I'm not worried if there will be a 4E. Hell, I'm not worried about WotC going bankrupt. The OGL has [i]freed[/i] the d20 system from the decisions and fate of one company. And, to examplify my stance, I submit the following list: [i]Complete Warrior[/i] [i]Book of Exalted Deeds[/i] [i]Deities & Demigods[/i] [i]Draconomicon[/i] These are four books that I [i]have not[/i] purchased because of a [i]lack[/i] of OGC within them (and if I looked more at a few of their other titles or their upcoming titles, I'd likely find more). If they were opened up, even if the rules were ported directly into the SRD, I would be at Amazon in a heart-beat ordering them. Why? Because I support Open Gaming and I support the companies that contribute to it by buying the products that I feel make worthy contributions. Heck, UA is the first WotC product I've bought since the BoVD, reason being that I was tired of trying to skirt-around the topic of rules I use but can't include on my website (such as Sanity and W&V) without contacting Andy Smith at WotC legal to reference the material (for the record, my current list of "permitted" references includes MotP, BoVD, OA, MaoF, FRCS, and the 3.0 splat-books). [/QUOTE]

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