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<blockquote data-quote="Unwise" data-source="post: 6848051" data-attributes="member: 98008">I think the thing to do is look at level 4, where both would have picked up another ASI or Feat.Human has +3 +2 +2 +2 +2 +0 and a FeatV.Human has +3 +2 +2 +2 +1 +0 and a Feat and a skill, if they chose to even out their stats. So even if you for some reason wanted really balanced stats, the V.Human is just as good, if not better, trading a +1 to your second worst stat for one skill.The main difference is that the V.Human has options, often better ones:1) Another Feat is likely better than +1 in your third and fourth stats2) +2 to your main stat is almost certainly better3) You can take a +1 stat feat and still get your tertiary stat up to an even score, with the added feat benefitI would love standard humans to have some benefit, but they just don't. I rolled very similar stats on my character but even under those optimal conditions, it was still just not worth it.In one game I am in&nbsp; the DM gives humans +2 to every stat, but that cannot bring them above 14. That makes them the go to race for people that want to play MAD classes who didn't roll well enough to do so.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Unwise, post: 6848051, member: 98008"] I think the thing to do is look at level 4, where both would have picked up another ASI or Feat. Human has +3 +2 +2 +2 +2 +0 and a Feat V.Human has +3 +2 +2 +2 +1 +0 and a Feat and a skill, if they chose to even out their stats. So even if you for some reason wanted really balanced stats, the V.Human is just as good, if not better, trading a +1 to your second worst stat for one skill. The main difference is that the V.Human has options, often better ones: 1) Another Feat is likely better than +1 in your third and fourth stats 2) +2 to your main stat is almost certainly better 3) You can take a +1 stat feat and still get your tertiary stat up to an even score, with the added feat benefit I would love standard humans to have some benefit, but they just don't. I rolled very similar stats on my character but even under those optimal conditions, it was still just not worth it. In one game I am in the DM gives humans +2 to every stat, but that cannot bring them above 14. That makes them the go to race for people that want to play MAD classes who didn't roll well enough to do so. [/QUOTE]

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