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<blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 7830943" data-attributes="member: 6750235">Sure, but then he or she needs the stat req for the feat (minor), is down a feat the tomelock would have also going variant human, only gets rituals from the one class instead of all classes, and doesn't get the bonus cantrips.&nbsp; He does open up an invocation and has a different set of class invocations based on subclasses from which to draw.&nbsp; There's tradeoffs to be had instead of handing over one benefit to the other.Book of ancient secrets is better than the ritual caster feat because of the &quot;any class&quot; rule.&nbsp; It also adds this tidbit that often gets overlooked: &quot;You can also cast a warlock spell you know as a ritual if it has the ritual tag.&quot;&nbsp; That turns the warlock into a ritual caster AND gives a better version of the ritual caster feat.&nbsp; Warlocks only have 4 ritual spells so it's not exactly a huge deal, but at least it gives a reason to take unseen servant.&nbsp; ;-)What you describe is my expectation on how a player does get both.&nbsp; I'm a fan of taking the feat if someone wants rituals.&nbsp; I keep the find familiar spell simple and do not allow the special familiars (I consider that an NPC special adjustment and not a spell option).&nbsp; Gots ta be a chainlock to get that option in my games.&nbsp; ;-)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ashrym, post: 7830943, member: 6750235"] Sure, but then he or she needs the stat req for the feat (minor), is down a feat the tomelock would have also going variant human, only gets rituals from the one class instead of all classes, and doesn't get the bonus cantrips. He does open up an invocation and has a different set of class invocations based on subclasses from which to draw. There's tradeoffs to be had instead of handing over one benefit to the other. Book of ancient secrets is better than the ritual caster feat because of the "any class" rule. It also adds this tidbit that often gets overlooked: "You can also cast a warlock spell you know as a ritual if it has the ritual tag." That turns the warlock into a ritual caster AND gives a better version of the ritual caster feat. Warlocks only have 4 ritual spells so it's not exactly a huge deal, but at least it gives a reason to take unseen servant. ;-) What you describe is my expectation on how a player does get both. I'm a fan of taking the feat if someone wants rituals. I keep the find familiar spell simple and do not allow the special familiars (I consider that an NPC special adjustment and not a spell option). Gots ta be a chainlock to get that option in my games. ;-) [/QUOTE]

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