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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thresher" data-source="post: 848057" data-attributes="member: 9983">Im of much the same mind as Cedric, about the only area they really shine in over sorc's is metamagic, throw a sorc together with a good selection of spells, scrolls and magic items and its more or less a moot point about versitility in most cases.Researching spells is good, provided you can find the time and money, which is not always available in some games, then youre back to whatever you can get.As for clerics, Ive only played one in 3rd ed.Its a bipedal slaughterhouse.</blockquote>