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Is there a book of Epic Spells?
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<blockquote data-quote="jmucchiello" data-source="post: 2924990" data-attributes="member: 813"><p>Your DM has made a house rule (or is mistaken). Where does it say it cannot go above 20?</p><p></p><p>From the SRD: Caster Level</p><p>A spell’s power often depends on its caster level, which for most spellcasting characters is equal to your class level in the class you’re using to cast the spell. </p><p>In the event that a class feature, domain granted power, or other special ability provides an adjustment to your caster level, that adjustment applies not only to effects based on caster level (such as range, duration, and damage dealt) but also to your caster level check to overcome your target’s spell resistance and to the caster level used in dispel checks (both the dispel check and the DC of the check). </p><p></p><p>From the SRD: Spell Resistance (Magic Overview.rtf)</p><p>Spell resistance is a special defensive ability. If your spell is being resisted by a creature with spell resistance, you must make a caster level check (1d20 + caster level) at least equal to the creature’s spell resistance for the spell to affect that creature. The defender’s spell resistance is like an Armor Class against magical attacks. Include any adjustments to your caster level to this caster level check.</p><p></p><p>From the SRD: Epic Basics (Emphasis added)</p><p>Epic characters—those whose character level is 21st or higher—are handled slightly differently from nonepic characters. While epic characters continue to receive most of the benefits of gaining levels, some benefits are replaced by alternative gains. <strong>A class can be advanced beyond 20th level.</strong></p><p>• For spellcasters, caster level continues to increase after 20th level. However, spells per day don’t increase after 20th level. The only way to gain additional spells per day (other than the bonus spells gained from a high ability score) is to select the Improved Spell Capacity epic feat.</p><p></p><p>OTOH, Dispel Magic is capped at +10: <em>You make a dispel check (1d20 + your caster level, maximum +10) against the spell or against each ongoing spell currently in effect on the object or creature. </em></p><p>This is why Greater Dispel Magic exists: <em>This spell functions like dispel magic, except that the maximum caster level on your dispel check is +20 instead of +10.</em></p><p></p><p>I suspect your DM is using this as the basis for limiting Spell Resistance but that does not make sense and is not supported by the rules. Any one of the quoted pasages above could say (maximum +20) and none of them do. The Epic Handbook is full of monsters with SR in the 40s, 50s and higher. That makes no sense if SR checks are limited to a +20 bonus. If that were the intention, why have SR above 41?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jmucchiello, post: 2924990, member: 813"] Your DM has made a house rule (or is mistaken). Where does it say it cannot go above 20? From the SRD: Caster Level A spell’s power often depends on its caster level, which for most spellcasting characters is equal to your class level in the class you’re using to cast the spell. In the event that a class feature, domain granted power, or other special ability provides an adjustment to your caster level, that adjustment applies not only to effects based on caster level (such as range, duration, and damage dealt) but also to your caster level check to overcome your target’s spell resistance and to the caster level used in dispel checks (both the dispel check and the DC of the check). From the SRD: Spell Resistance (Magic Overview.rtf) Spell resistance is a special defensive ability. If your spell is being resisted by a creature with spell resistance, you must make a caster level check (1d20 + caster level) at least equal to the creature’s spell resistance for the spell to affect that creature. The defender’s spell resistance is like an Armor Class against magical attacks. Include any adjustments to your caster level to this caster level check. From the SRD: Epic Basics (Emphasis added) Epic characters—those whose character level is 21st or higher—are handled slightly differently from nonepic characters. While epic characters continue to receive most of the benefits of gaining levels, some benefits are replaced by alternative gains. [b]A class can be advanced beyond 20th level.[/b] • For spellcasters, caster level continues to increase after 20th level. However, spells per day don’t increase after 20th level. The only way to gain additional spells per day (other than the bonus spells gained from a high ability score) is to select the Improved Spell Capacity epic feat. OTOH, Dispel Magic is capped at +10: [i]You make a dispel check (1d20 + your caster level, maximum +10) against the spell or against each ongoing spell currently in effect on the object or creature. [/i] This is why Greater Dispel Magic exists: [i]This spell functions like dispel magic, except that the maximum caster level on your dispel check is +20 instead of +10.[/i] I suspect your DM is using this as the basis for limiting Spell Resistance but that does not make sense and is not supported by the rules. Any one of the quoted pasages above could say (maximum +20) and none of them do. The Epic Handbook is full of monsters with SR in the 40s, 50s and higher. That makes no sense if SR checks are limited to a +20 bonus. If that were the intention, why have SR above 41? [/QUOTE]
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