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<blockquote data-quote="SWAT" data-source="post: 3227133" data-attributes="member: 2751">But I can't find a single rules reference that actually backs this up. The Bluff skill description never explicitly states that when you lie, you make a Bluff check. It instead says Bluff is for convincing/conning/distracting someone under false pretenses, which would involve lying. The Bluff examples they give are all about getting someone to react or behave in a certain way. Not a single one is simply a lie. Therefore, I'd like to propose the following, and see if anyone can provide a rules reference that contradicts it:Bluffing (by which I mean using the Bluff skill) happens when you use false pretenses to try to get someone to react in a specific manner. This probably involves lying, which it seems we all agree is a subset of Bluffing. But, simply making a false statement is not a Bluff because you don't care how people react, you just want to make them believe the false statement. So, if we meet at a party for the first time and my name is Dave, but I tell you my name is Bob, I don't have to make a Bluff check for that statement. You can Sense Motive to determine how trustworthy I seem, but you can't Sense Motive to determine if the specific statement &quot;Hello, I'm Bob.&quot; is a lie.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SWAT, post: 3227133, member: 2751"] But I can't find a single rules reference that actually backs this up. The Bluff skill description never explicitly states that when you lie, you make a Bluff check. It instead says Bluff is for convincing/conning/distracting someone under false pretenses, which would involve lying. The Bluff examples they give are all about getting someone to react or behave in a certain way. Not a single one is simply a lie. Therefore, I'd like to propose the following, and see if anyone can provide a rules reference that contradicts it: Bluffing (by which I mean using the Bluff skill) happens when you use false pretenses to try to get someone to react in a specific manner. This probably involves lying, which it seems we all agree is a subset of Bluffing. But, simply making a false statement is not a Bluff because you don't care how people react, you just want to make them believe the false statement. So, if we meet at a party for the first time and my name is Dave, but I tell you my name is Bob, I don't have to make a Bluff check for that statement. You can Sense Motive to determine how trustworthy I seem, but you can't Sense Motive to determine if the specific statement "Hello, I'm Bob." is a lie. [/QUOTE]

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