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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9689326" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Well, at least for me?This was the thing people hammered home, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and...They harped on this. "D&D lost out! D&D FAILED FAILED FAILED FAILED because of 4e! 4e was the single worst thing that ever happened to D&D, so we need to NEVER do ANYTHING like it ever again!" (Which, of course, conflicts with the "What are you 4e fans complaining about? There's SOOOOO much 4e in 5e!" comments from the designers themselves, to say nothing of the ones from consumers, but I've long since stopped expecting things like contradictions to impede these "arguments" against anything and everything that has even the faintest whiff of being 4e-like.)I've dealt with, at this point, going on like 15 near-continuous years of people actively crapping on my preferences, telling me to my (internet) face that those preferences are dumb and bad and wrong and antagonistic to the very concept of D&D and (etc., etc.), VERY specifically because of this tired myth that we now know to be false. This is a myth I've seen repeated, on this very forum, literally within the past six months. It's not dead. It's not gone. It's not something that has passed. It's still here, living with us today, used as a reason to do certain things or not do certain things.</blockquote>