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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nai_Calus" data-source="post: 5052883" data-attributes="member: 79670">There's an obligation to make characters that work together and don't overshadow each other. If everyone else's character is only 'incompetent' in relation to your munchkined-up overpowered character, you're the one breaking the obligation. (And if everyone else is munchkined to death and you just want to play a standard competent-but-not-ridiculous character, run.)Especially since in 4e you almost have to TRY to make a truly unviable character or be so lacking in sense that you probably shouldn't be playing RPGs anyway.There's also different views of what 'competent' is, and the eternal arguments over what's acceptable as a starting primary stat or if it's ever acceptable to play a race/class combination where none of the stat boosts match. (The answers are 16 and yes.)It basically boils down to the eternal 'Don't be an ass', and also to 'Find a group you work in'. If you just want a standard character and everyone else is powergaming and you can't stand sitting there optimizing, you're going to be miserable and they probably will too because you're doing it wrong to them. And if you want an uber-optimized character based off something from a CharOp board, you're going to be miserable and everyone else probably will be too because you're doing it wrong to them. You can try to munchkin up, usually with help, or de-munchkin, but it often won't work.</blockquote>