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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3430100" data-attributes="member: 1656">Firstly: &quot;If you are using two weapons, you can strike with either weapon first.&quot;Let's say I do not have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat, and have a longsword and a shortsword.&nbsp; My normal attack bonus is +3, but I take a -4 penalty with the longsword and a -8 penalty with the shortsword; my attack bonuses are therefore -1 and -5 respectively.Even though one has a higher attack bonus than the other, I can strike with either weapon first.What's not clear, once we start adding, say, ITWF, is whether I must make all strikes with one weapon before making all strikes with the other weapon.If we take the initial example, where the longsword strikes at +11/+11/+6/+1 and the shortsword strikes at +11/+6, we know that I can strike with the shortsword first.&nbsp; But if I do, does that mean I must make both attacks before I can begin striking with the longsword, or does it only refer to the first attack?&quot;If you get multiple attacks because your base attack bonus is high enough, you must make the attacks in order from highest bonus to lowest.&quot;Now, when it says &quot;the attacks&quot;, does it mean &quot;the multiple attacks I get because my base attack bonus is high enough&quot;?&nbsp; Because of the six attacks under discussion, only three of them are &quot;multiple attacks I get because my base attack bonus is high enough&quot;.&nbsp; One of them is &quot;multiple attacks because I am under the effects of a Haste spell&quot;, and two of them are &quot;multiple attacks because I have the ITWF feat&quot;.&nbsp; So we know that the three iterative longsword attacks must be taken in order, +11, +6, +1... but there's no rule covering when the shortsword attacks or the hasted attack must be taken.In theory, I could take my +1 off-hand attack first, then my +11 haste attack, then my +6 off-hand attack, because they're not restricted to a specific order.&quot;If you get multiple attacks because your base attack bonus is high enough, you must make the attacks in order from highest bonus to lowest.&quot;When it says &quot;in order from highest bonus to lowest&quot;, does this refer to the adjusted base attack bonus component of the attack bonus, or does it refer to the total attack bonus?Let's say I have a BAB of +6, a Str of 8, a Dex of 18, and the halfling racial bonus to thrown weapons.I have a dagger.&nbsp; I stab one orc, and throw the dagger at a second orc.Let's say I use my +6 iterative attack to stab the first orc.&nbsp; My total attack bonus is +5: +6 BAB, -1 for Str.&nbsp; Then I throw the dagger with my +1 iterative attack.&nbsp; My total attack bonus is +6: +1 BAB, +4 for Dex, +1 racial bonus.&nbsp; But this means that I have not taken the attacks in order from highest bonus to lowest; my bonus on the first attack was +5, and on the second was +6!-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 3430100, member: 1656"] Firstly: "If you are using two weapons, you can strike with either weapon first." Let's say I do not have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat, and have a longsword and a shortsword. My normal attack bonus is +3, but I take a -4 penalty with the longsword and a -8 penalty with the shortsword; my attack bonuses are therefore -1 and -5 respectively. Even though one has a higher attack bonus than the other, I can strike with either weapon first. What's not clear, once we start adding, say, ITWF, is whether I must make all strikes with one weapon before making all strikes with the other weapon. If we take the initial example, where the longsword strikes at +11/+11/+6/+1 and the shortsword strikes at +11/+6, we know that I can strike with the shortsword first. But if I do, does that mean I must make both attacks before I can begin striking with the longsword, or does it only refer to the first attack? "If you get multiple attacks because your base attack bonus is high enough, you must make the attacks in order from highest bonus to lowest." Now, when it says "the attacks", does it mean "the multiple attacks I get because my base attack bonus is high enough"? Because of the six attacks under discussion, only three of them are "multiple attacks I get because my base attack bonus is high enough". One of them is "multiple attacks because I am under the effects of a Haste spell", and two of them are "multiple attacks because I have the ITWF feat". So we know that the three iterative longsword attacks must be taken in order, +11, +6, +1... but there's no rule covering when the shortsword attacks or the hasted attack must be taken. In theory, I could take my +1 off-hand attack first, then my +11 haste attack, then my +6 off-hand attack, because they're not restricted to a specific order. "If you get multiple attacks because your base attack bonus is high enough, you must make the attacks in order from highest bonus to lowest." When it says "in order from highest bonus to lowest", does this refer to the adjusted base attack bonus component of the attack bonus, or does it refer to the total attack bonus? Let's say I have a BAB of +6, a Str of 8, a Dex of 18, and the halfling racial bonus to thrown weapons. I have a dagger. I stab one orc, and throw the dagger at a second orc. Let's say I use my +6 iterative attack to stab the first orc. My total attack bonus is +5: +6 BAB, -1 for Str. Then I throw the dagger with my +1 iterative attack. My total attack bonus is +6: +1 BAB, +4 for Dex, +1 racial bonus. But this means that I have not taken the attacks in order from highest bonus to lowest; my bonus on the first attack was +5, and on the second was +6! -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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