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<blockquote data-quote="Thunder Brother" data-source="post: 8312685" data-attributes="member: 6984475"><p>Okay then, we're operating under incompatible definitions of what a deity is. You prefer the more restrictive, monotheistic definition. I prefer the more open-ended polytheistic definition. </p><p></p><p>Note: From here on out I'm going to be using the term deity, to avoid any misunderstanding regards "gods" and "Gods" (because for some that capitalized G really matters).</p><p></p><p>I would totally define the Ainur (Valar and Maiar) as a deities, and I imagine others would as well. The presence of an all-powerful creator deity in the form of Eru doesn't diminish their importance with the story. Melkor, Ulmo, Mandos, Tulkas and all the rest play key roles in the mythology of Middle-Earth and Arda. To dismiss them as "middle management" is silly. </p><p></p><p>You're coming at this discussion with under the assumption that only the creator deity really matters, while I'm coming at this from the opposite assumption. To me a creator deity is often irrelevant because if they actually flexed their power, then the story wouldn't exist. An omnipotent, omnipresent deity is constrictive. Eru could have snuffed out Sauron if he wanted, but then you wouldn't have the story of the Fellowship.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Apologizes for the sloppy quoting, I'm still new to this website.</p><p></p><p>Beyond the absolute basic, I don't know jack about FR, so I apologize if you assumed I was approaching the discussion from that perspective. I know Bane only from the Baldur's Gate video games, and he passes my duck test for a deity. Beyond that, what I do know is that FR is an absolute mess cosmologically and religiously, the product of people who imitated those who came before them without the understanding of what they were imitating.</p><p></p><p>Okay then, let's operate under a better definition of a deity, because the single off-the-cuff example I used is obviously lacking. Taken from Wikipedia, quoting anthropologist C. Scott Littleton, "a being with powers greater than those of ordinary humans, but who interacts with humans, positively or negatively, in ways that carry humans to new levels of consciousness, beyond the grounded preoccupations of ordinary life". I hope this definition can clarify further discussion, at least in respect to where I am coming from.</p><p></p><p>I didn't know that my off-the-cuff comments would provoke such a response. I hope your rant was therapeutic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thunder Brother, post: 8312685, member: 6984475"] Okay then, we're operating under incompatible definitions of what a deity is. You prefer the more restrictive, monotheistic definition. I prefer the more open-ended polytheistic definition. Note: From here on out I'm going to be using the term deity, to avoid any misunderstanding regards "gods" and "Gods" (because for some that capitalized G really matters). I would totally define the Ainur (Valar and Maiar) as a deities, and I imagine others would as well. The presence of an all-powerful creator deity in the form of Eru doesn't diminish their importance with the story. Melkor, Ulmo, Mandos, Tulkas and all the rest play key roles in the mythology of Middle-Earth and Arda. To dismiss them as "middle management" is silly. You're coming at this discussion with under the assumption that only the creator deity really matters, while I'm coming at this from the opposite assumption. To me a creator deity is often irrelevant because if they actually flexed their power, then the story wouldn't exist. An omnipotent, omnipresent deity is constrictive. Eru could have snuffed out Sauron if he wanted, but then you wouldn't have the story of the Fellowship. Apologizes for the sloppy quoting, I'm still new to this website. Beyond the absolute basic, I don't know jack about FR, so I apologize if you assumed I was approaching the discussion from that perspective. I know Bane only from the Baldur's Gate video games, and he passes my duck test for a deity. Beyond that, what I do know is that FR is an absolute mess cosmologically and religiously, the product of people who imitated those who came before them without the understanding of what they were imitating. Okay then, let's operate under a better definition of a deity, because the single off-the-cuff example I used is obviously lacking. Taken from Wikipedia, quoting anthropologist C. Scott Littleton, "a being with powers greater than those of ordinary humans, but who interacts with humans, positively or negatively, in ways that carry humans to new levels of consciousness, beyond the grounded preoccupations of ordinary life". I hope this definition can clarify further discussion, at least in respect to where I am coming from. I didn't know that my off-the-cuff comments would provoke such a response. I hope your rant was therapeutic. [/QUOTE]
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