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<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 8314727" data-attributes="member: 6796468"><p><strong>1)</strong> Nammu and Tiamat are the same character. It's why I put "Tiamat" in quotation marks. Nammu is the Apsu, and was overtaken by Tiamat with the Babylonian conquest of Sumeria because they sought to overwrite the local religion with their own, like you do. Nammu and Tiamat both take up the same role as "Creator Goddess of Water".</p><p></p><p><strong>1A)</strong> I will happily acknowledge that I messed up on saying "Akkadians" rather than "Babylonians" but the actual content is the same. That Nammu, "Tiamat" when you superimpose Babylonian beliefs over Sumerian ones, is chaos and also dead because Marduk so worship Marduk or we'll kill you for being a heretic. </p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>2) </strong>The Altaic peoples moved out of Mongolia 1,000BCE, and over the next several centuries they moved west across Central Asia into what is now Turkey creating a major minority population in Anatolia prior to the 130BCE invasion of Anatolia and also far to the East. Granted, we tend to refer to that ethnicity as "Turkic" in retrospect. But that's a modern designation put upon them since the word Turk (Or more accurately Goturk) wouldn't be put to paper until almost 500AD, 1,500 years after Altaics left Mongolia heading in all directions. </p><p></p><p>The actual Goturk conquest of Anatolia wouldn't happen unto 1100AD, sure. But I'm not talking about rulership, I'm talking about ethnic groups and various cultures spreading across the region. Again, as a horse culture. Which almost certainly had a huge impact on the Phrygians whose chief deity (Sabazios) was a Horse-Rider like the "Soon to be Turk" Altaic peoples as compared to the Chariot-Riding deities of Greek and Roman myth. Though you could also argue the Macedonian horse-culture may have had a similar effect on Phrygian beliefs as they migrated.</p><p></p><p><strong>2A) </strong>But, again, I'll acknowledge that Cybele is a Phrygian deity, not an Altaic deity. The greater point, however, remains: The Phrygian deities were not all dragged back to Rome to become important figures of Roman Myth. They decided that Cybele was similar to the Titan Rhea and took her statue (And a tiny meteor) back to Rome, leaving Attis, Cybele's consort, behind with all the other gods and demigods.</p><p></p><p>That said, there was a cult in Greece around 400BCE centered around Attis well before the invasion of Anatolia. But that cult kinda got crapped on, hard, when Lydia took control over Phrygia and got a Lydian-influenced retelling which ended with Zeus being angry that Cybele and Attis had followers in the nation-state and sent a Boar after them to kill Attis and a lot of the Lydians. Which is why the Lydian Gauls don't eat Pork! Though that's probably just something Pausanias tacked on to explain why the Lydians didn't eat Pork.</p><p></p><p>"Oh, hey. There's a cult we don't really want around? Let's tell a story that our God killed their God to end that cult. Yaaaaay!" and "We like this god of yours. We're going to go take her from you and bring her back to Rome 300 years later" Seems... Familiar.</p><p></p><p>'Cause remember: The Gods weren't just deities you begged for aid, they were also essentially Comic Book Characters that anyone could just make up a story about and spread it around enough to make it "Canon".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 8314727, member: 6796468"] [B]1)[/B] Nammu and Tiamat are the same character. It's why I put "Tiamat" in quotation marks. Nammu is the Apsu, and was overtaken by Tiamat with the Babylonian conquest of Sumeria because they sought to overwrite the local religion with their own, like you do. Nammu and Tiamat both take up the same role as "Creator Goddess of Water". [B]1A)[/B] I will happily acknowledge that I messed up on saying "Akkadians" rather than "Babylonians" but the actual content is the same. That Nammu, "Tiamat" when you superimpose Babylonian beliefs over Sumerian ones, is chaos and also dead because Marduk so worship Marduk or we'll kill you for being a heretic. [B]2) [/B]The Altaic peoples moved out of Mongolia 1,000BCE, and over the next several centuries they moved west across Central Asia into what is now Turkey creating a major minority population in Anatolia prior to the 130BCE invasion of Anatolia and also far to the East. Granted, we tend to refer to that ethnicity as "Turkic" in retrospect. But that's a modern designation put upon them since the word Turk (Or more accurately Goturk) wouldn't be put to paper until almost 500AD, 1,500 years after Altaics left Mongolia heading in all directions. The actual Goturk conquest of Anatolia wouldn't happen unto 1100AD, sure. But I'm not talking about rulership, I'm talking about ethnic groups and various cultures spreading across the region. Again, as a horse culture. Which almost certainly had a huge impact on the Phrygians whose chief deity (Sabazios) was a Horse-Rider like the "Soon to be Turk" Altaic peoples as compared to the Chariot-Riding deities of Greek and Roman myth. Though you could also argue the Macedonian horse-culture may have had a similar effect on Phrygian beliefs as they migrated. [B]2A) [/B]But, again, I'll acknowledge that Cybele is a Phrygian deity, not an Altaic deity. The greater point, however, remains: The Phrygian deities were not all dragged back to Rome to become important figures of Roman Myth. They decided that Cybele was similar to the Titan Rhea and took her statue (And a tiny meteor) back to Rome, leaving Attis, Cybele's consort, behind with all the other gods and demigods. That said, there was a cult in Greece around 400BCE centered around Attis well before the invasion of Anatolia. But that cult kinda got crapped on, hard, when Lydia took control over Phrygia and got a Lydian-influenced retelling which ended with Zeus being angry that Cybele and Attis had followers in the nation-state and sent a Boar after them to kill Attis and a lot of the Lydians. Which is why the Lydian Gauls don't eat Pork! Though that's probably just something Pausanias tacked on to explain why the Lydians didn't eat Pork. "Oh, hey. There's a cult we don't really want around? Let's tell a story that our God killed their God to end that cult. Yaaaaay!" and "We like this god of yours. We're going to go take her from you and bring her back to Rome 300 years later" Seems... Familiar. 'Cause remember: The Gods weren't just deities you begged for aid, they were also essentially Comic Book Characters that anyone could just make up a story about and spread it around enough to make it "Canon". [/QUOTE]
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