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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 61343" data-attributes="member: 1656">&quot;Cripples&quot; is, I feel, an overstatement.&quot;My wizard can't have 18 intelligence at first level!&quot; is not really a cry I have a lot of sympathy for.Using point-buy methods, I tend to put a 16 in my primary stat.&nbsp; The 18 is usually more than I'm willing to pay for.&nbsp; The &quot;standard array&quot; uses a 15 in the same spot.&nbsp; At the cost of a few points in other attributes, the half-orc sorcerer can pay for a 17 Charisma, and have it drop to 15.&nbsp; Sure, he'll have poorer abilities overall, but the designers obviously felt that 15 was workable as a prime stat - it's their &quot;standard&quot;.Yes, he can't match the sun elf's 20 intelligence.&nbsp; But he's playable... as long as the campaign is not designed to cater exclusively towards min/maxed, tailored characters.If a DM looks dubiously at my gnomish fighter and wonders how I'm going to survive as a melee-type with 20' Move and Small weapons, then maybe it's a poor game to try out the half-orc wizard, or the dwarven sorcerer.&nbsp; But not all games need an 18-20 in a prime stat for survival.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 61343, member: 1656"] "Cripples" is, I feel, an overstatement. "My wizard can't have 18 intelligence at first level!" is not really a cry I have a lot of sympathy for. Using point-buy methods, I tend to put a 16 in my primary stat. The 18 is usually more than I'm willing to pay for. The "standard array" uses a 15 in the same spot. At the cost of a few points in other attributes, the half-orc sorcerer can pay for a 17 Charisma, and have it drop to 15. Sure, he'll have poorer abilities overall, but the designers obviously felt that 15 was workable as a prime stat - it's their "standard". Yes, he can't match the sun elf's 20 intelligence. But he's playable... as long as the campaign is not designed to cater exclusively towards min/maxed, tailored characters. If a DM looks dubiously at my gnomish fighter and wonders how I'm going to survive as a melee-type with 20' Move and Small weapons, then maybe it's a poor game to try out the half-orc wizard, or the dwarven sorcerer. But not all games need an 18-20 in a prime stat for survival. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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