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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MarkB" data-source="post: 7291689" data-attributes="member: 40176">Yeah, that's pretty much how I remember them too.One additional downside, which I saw somewhat in the one really long-running campaign we played during 4e, is that once you've played enough of them, they become somewhat routine, with players swiftly dividing up the labour based upon familiarity and experience, and then running through the skill checks in short order. That may sound like good, co-operative and efficient play, and it was, but it also means that players are generally approaching the problem mechanically, in terms of applicable skills and risk-mitigation, and not really engaging with the situation narratively or thinking outside the box.</blockquote>