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Is there ANY way to make whips good using WotC-only 3.5 material?
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<blockquote data-quote="AbeTheGnome" data-source="post: 3241602" data-attributes="member: 47933"><p>ok, i'm a newb to the boards, so i'm not familiar with all the abbreviations... CDG?</p><p></p><p>um... i believe what i see. granted, i haven't read every page of errata on the WoTC boards, but this is, as far as i can tell, <em>not </em>stated in the corebooks. in fact, the only word on standing from prone is "Standing up from a prone position requires a move action and provokes attacks of opportunity," and "A tripped character is prone. Standing up is a move action"</p><p></p><p>i put 2 and 2 together, and i think the answer is 4. is my math faulty or are the rules unclear? the SRD goes on to state that:</p><p></p><p>"An attack of opportunity "interrupts" the normal flow of actions in the round. If an attack of opportunity is provoked, immediately resolve the attack of opportunity, then continue with the next character’s turn (or complete the current turn, if the attack of opportunity was provoked in the midst of a character’s turn)." </p><p></p><p>should this instead read:</p><p></p><p>"An attack of opportunity "interrupts" the normal flow of actions in the round. If an attack of opportunity is provoked, immediately resolve the attack of opportunity, then continue with whatever action the combatant who provoked the attack of opportunity was attempting." (?)</p><p></p><p>EDIT</p><p>and, after reading some errata on the WoTC boards... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /> </p><p>"It's possible to attempt a trip attack as an attack of opportunity. Fortunately, you can't be tripped while getting up from prone, at least not through the attack of opportunity you provoke. That because attacks of opportunity are resolved before the actions that provoke them (there are a few exceptions, see Rules of the Game: All About Attacks of Opportunity for details). When you try to stand up from a prone position, the attack of opportunity comes before you get back on your feet. Since you're still prone when the attack comes, the attack of opportunity can't trip you.</p><p></p><p>Your foes still can use trip attacks to keep you down when you're prone, however. A foe can use the ready action to prepare a trip attack against you when you stand up."</p><p></p><p>and so, with a few ready actions, the never-ending trip is still feasible... but not nearly as much fun.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbeTheGnome, post: 3241602, member: 47933"] ok, i'm a newb to the boards, so i'm not familiar with all the abbreviations... CDG? um... i believe what i see. granted, i haven't read every page of errata on the WoTC boards, but this is, as far as i can tell, [I]not [/I]stated in the corebooks. in fact, the only word on standing from prone is "Standing up from a prone position requires a move action and provokes attacks of opportunity," and "A tripped character is prone. Standing up is a move action" i put 2 and 2 together, and i think the answer is 4. is my math faulty or are the rules unclear? the SRD goes on to state that: "An attack of opportunity "interrupts" the normal flow of actions in the round. If an attack of opportunity is provoked, immediately resolve the attack of opportunity, then continue with the next character’s turn (or complete the current turn, if the attack of opportunity was provoked in the midst of a character’s turn)." should this instead read: "An attack of opportunity "interrupts" the normal flow of actions in the round. If an attack of opportunity is provoked, immediately resolve the attack of opportunity, then continue with whatever action the combatant who provoked the attack of opportunity was attempting." (?) EDIT and, after reading some errata on the WoTC boards... :eek: "It's possible to attempt a trip attack as an attack of opportunity. Fortunately, you can't be tripped while getting up from prone, at least not through the attack of opportunity you provoke. That because attacks of opportunity are resolved before the actions that provoke them (there are a few exceptions, see Rules of the Game: All About Attacks of Opportunity for details). When you try to stand up from a prone position, the attack of opportunity comes before you get back on your feet. Since you're still prone when the attack comes, the attack of opportunity can't trip you. Your foes still can use trip attacks to keep you down when you're prone, however. A foe can use the ready action to prepare a trip attack against you when you stand up." and so, with a few ready actions, the never-ending trip is still feasible... but not nearly as much fun. [/QUOTE]
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