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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lionblade" data-source="post: 8449895" data-attributes="member: 7033031">Namely, ongoing support. Partly, bloat.  4e has a problem I see in that there a lot of books required to really get back into it. On the other hand, it has been all but dropped by WoTC. So there will never be any new content for it, no one is making tools for it, VTT support for it is hard to come by, etc. PDFs are available on drivethru, but trying to get physical books requires EBay.The lack of support makes it also hard to convince people to try and play it rather than just keeping up with the latest and greatest edition.It almost seems better, at least to me, if there was an entirely new game with ongoing support and able to retain a fan base.</blockquote>