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<blockquote data-quote="Retreater" data-source="post: 8449919" data-attributes="member: 42040">I understand. I'm a fan of 4e, so I get it. And I've also tried to run a campaign somewhat recently.I'd argue that an OOP edition of the world's biggest RPG still has greater market reach than an indie RPG. I introduced my wife and several friends to 4E after they came in with 5E. They liked going back to see the history of the game, just like some players like going back to OSR titles.For some players, convincing them to play anything other than 5E will be a challenge. But it can be a richly rewarding experience, even if you don't stick with the system.To address bloat, try limiting your players to only Essentials (or only PHB1 or whatever). You don't have to use the entire library.I've played 4e on Fantasy Grounds, and it worked fine. I'm guessing you could run it on any VTT with limited automation. But the ship has sailed on 4e. I don't think we'll ever see a game like it again, especially not on the scale of a major RPG. PF2 is not close to the tactical fun and streamlined gameplay experience of 4E. Level Up seems to have not gone far enough from 5E for my tastes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Retreater, post: 8449919, member: 42040"] I understand. I'm a fan of 4e, so I get it. And I've also tried to run a campaign somewhat recently. I'd argue that an OOP edition of the world's biggest RPG still has greater market reach than an indie RPG. I introduced my wife and several friends to 4E after they came in with 5E. They liked going back to see the history of the game, just like some players like going back to OSR titles. For some players, convincing them to play anything other than 5E will be a challenge. But it can be a richly rewarding experience, even if you don't stick with the system. To address bloat, try limiting your players to only Essentials (or only PHB1 or whatever). You don't have to use the entire library. I've played 4e on Fantasy Grounds, and it worked fine. I'm guessing you could run it on any VTT with limited automation. But the ship has sailed on 4e. I don't think we'll ever see a game like it again, especially not on the scale of a major RPG. PF2 is not close to the tactical fun and streamlined gameplay experience of 4E. Level Up seems to have not gone far enough from 5E for my tastes. [/QUOTE]

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