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<blockquote data-quote="Uller" data-source="post: 63547" data-attributes="member: 413">Maybe you need to convince your DM to give the rest of the party some incentive to rest for a week or so.&nbsp; The best incentive I can think of is making PCs &quot;train&quot; for a week to gain all the benefits of their new level...As for Nightmare being &quot;uber&quot;...I think the first criteria for a spell being seriously broken is that it is a spell very few players feels his PC can do without and must have ASAP.&nbsp; Shield and Haste are two potential candidates in this regard.&nbsp; Most sorcerer/bard/wizard players aren't sitting around saying &quot;Nightmare is the first 5th level spell I'm going to take!&quot;It is a useful spell in particular situations(especially if you are a lich hidden in a dungeon full of your minions).&nbsp; But in the everyday life of an adventurer, useful is not an adjective I would apply to it.&nbsp; 5th level seems just about right for this one.Edit: Also...it could be far worse for you...you're in his home.&nbsp; He could just teleport to you cast feeblemind on you(and maybe dominate) teleport away.&nbsp; Then you'd NEVER be able to cast spells(or use wands or scrolls).&nbsp; Do you have a 11th level Cleric in your party?&nbsp; If not, you're screwed.&nbsp;&nbsp; A lich(or any high level spell caster) is nothing to trifle with in his own home....</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Uller, post: 63547, member: 413"] Maybe you need to convince your DM to give the rest of the party some incentive to rest for a week or so. The best incentive I can think of is making PCs "train" for a week to gain all the benefits of their new level... As for Nightmare being "uber"...I think the first criteria for a spell being seriously broken is that it is a spell very few players feels his PC can do without and must have ASAP. Shield and Haste are two potential candidates in this regard. Most sorcerer/bard/wizard players aren't sitting around saying "Nightmare is the first 5th level spell I'm going to take!" It is a useful spell in particular situations(especially if you are a lich hidden in a dungeon full of your minions). But in the everyday life of an adventurer, useful is not an adjective I would apply to it. 5th level seems just about right for this one. Edit: Also...it could be far worse for you...you're in his home. He could just teleport to you cast feeblemind on you(and maybe dominate) teleport away. Then you'd NEVER be able to cast spells(or use wands or scrolls). Do you have a 11th level Cleric in your party? If not, you're screwed. A lich(or any high level spell caster) is nothing to trifle with in his own home.... [/QUOTE]

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