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<blockquote data-quote="pickin_grinnin" data-source="post: 6549298" data-attributes="member: 6697674">The folks at Paizo took a popular platform that WotC had more or less abandoned and the put out tons of support material for it.&nbsp; It continues to be popular among people who like a lot of &quot;crunchiness&quot; (numbers, character optimization, etc.).&nbsp; In my case, I only started playing it because I had trouble finding people in my local area who would play any game except for Pathfinder.WotC made a serious misstep with D&amp;D 4e.&nbsp; They tried to use it to pull MMO folks into the game, not realizing that the things those folks love about MMOs wouldn't translate into tabletop rpgs.&nbsp; Since a very significant part of the rpg community rejected 4e, Pathfinder continued to thrive.D&amp;D 5e is a good product, surprisingly, but Pathfinder has a huge lead on it, and WotC is not going to release a lot of support material.&nbsp; It is finding it's place, and will likely continue to add to it's player base, but it's not going to threaten Pathfinder very much.&nbsp; People who like &quot;crunchiness&quot; and support products aren't going to leave that behind.&nbsp; In addition, a lot of other games have grown in popularity over recent years, including generic ones (ex. Savage Worlds and Fate).&nbsp; I doubt we will ever see D&amp;D rise back to the heights of dominance in the community that it once enjoyed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pickin_grinnin, post: 6549298, member: 6697674"] The folks at Paizo took a popular platform that WotC had more or less abandoned and the put out tons of support material for it. It continues to be popular among people who like a lot of "crunchiness" (numbers, character optimization, etc.). In my case, I only started playing it because I had trouble finding people in my local area who would play any game except for Pathfinder. WotC made a serious misstep with D&D 4e. They tried to use it to pull MMO folks into the game, not realizing that the things those folks love about MMOs wouldn't translate into tabletop rpgs. Since a very significant part of the rpg community rejected 4e, Pathfinder continued to thrive. D&D 5e is a good product, surprisingly, but Pathfinder has a huge lead on it, and WotC is not going to release a lot of support material. It is finding it's place, and will likely continue to add to it's player base, but it's not going to threaten Pathfinder very much. People who like "crunchiness" and support products aren't going to leave that behind. In addition, a lot of other games have grown in popularity over recent years, including generic ones (ex. Savage Worlds and Fate). I doubt we will ever see D&D rise back to the heights of dominance in the community that it once enjoyed. [/QUOTE]

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