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Message: <blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 351123" data-attributes="member: 5171">On the other hand, what's the point of not pitting the players against something with DR 15/+1 until everyone has +1 or better weapons?As a DM, I would feel completely justified in sending something with DR x/+y against the party in the following scenarios:When they have no +y weapons, but x is low, enough for a fighter with power attack to damage it provided he uses that power attack -- and when the monster has no special elemental resistances.  The party can beat it by fighting smart.When they have only one or two +y weapons -- this makes the fight more interesting, and people who can't hurt it can try support-role tactics, like grappling.When no one has a +y weapon, x is high, but the party has been given clues that indicate a way around the monster other than whacking it with a sword until it keels over and gives you xp.  As in, party is 5th level, there's an Iron Golem in the next room, and they have no +3 weapons, but I've had ancient writing on the walls, a note on a dead thief's body, and possible information during knowledge checks that indicates that a group brandishing one of the crystals from two rooms back will not be attacked by the iron golem.All of that is vague, and is a general guide rather than an absolute.  But as a player, I wouldn't expect everyone in the party to have a +y weapon when they fight a monster with x/+y.  That completely negates the whole point of x/+y.  Not saying that your DM was fair and just and you were an idiot.  I'm just making a point with respect to the side conversation.-Tacky</blockquote>

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