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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TwoSix" data-source="post: 8060418" data-attributes="member: 205">I'd argue the point that by the time PF2 was being worked on (2017 into 2019); everyone was well aware that 5e was a massive success.  The design team could have iterated on PF1 and borrowed many of the popular design evolutions of 5E.Making a system with a large amount of customizable pieces and then making those pieces meaningful without making the combat calculation require 4-6 modifiers per attack is certainly a difficult target to hit, but that would be the requirement to make a meaningful upgrade on PF1 while borrowing some of 5E's simple tableside play.</blockquote>