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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 8062916" data-attributes="member: 12731">Yes.My point is that "much easier than PF1" is much less important and relevant to the average reader of this thread than "much harder than 5E".Paizo has made a game, that contrasted to PF1 comes across as clean and simple, while still avoiding most (but not all) of the 4E pitfalls.But we're not living in a world of PF1 and 4E. We left that world five years ago.Instead we live in a world of 5E. In contrast to that game, PF2 comes across as hopelessly overflowing with the tiniest minutae. It's not a bad game. But compared to 5E, it's a highly specialist game for special people only.(And before y'all say anything, I'm playing it myself)If 5E didn't exist, we would probably all marvel at the neatness of the PF2 rules, its balance, and simplicity. Now, it mostly comes across as a throwback to the more complicated times before 5E.Paizo has created a game to compete with last decade's games, while apparently completely failing to make sure their game can compete with this decade's game.*That is my point.*) To make any sense, please pretend you read that last year... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>